BDSP Leaks/Rumors Thread

[WyndonCalling]

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Google translate: It seems to be confirmed for the new forms of Dialga / Palkia in # PokémonBDSP. After that I don't know if it will be a First-form or Mega or something. To see Wednesday what is unveiled

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Damn, that's a really funny and generally excellent tweet. We're talking about the one at the bottom, right?

In all seriousness, I'm comfortable not paying much attention to this one, at least in the context of BDSP alone. I do suspect there might be something funky going on with potential compatibility between BDSP and Arceus (hence the unusually close release dates), and we'll see where that leads.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Technically, they don't need to show the new forms on the box art if they want to hide them. This happened with Zacian and Zamazenta where their unarmored forms didn't appear on the box art at all but are still usable in the games.

Those aren’t the definitive forms though. The boxart usually features the most interesting form. The Necrozma thing solidifies this point, as they had 3 forms to feature and two boxes: so each box got one power up with the superior form looming in the boxart for mystery and speculation.

Marketing strategies can always change, including whether to show new forms on the box arts or not.

The change needs to make sense though. Having a new form on the box art increases sales and hype.

 

[Oriden]

Yeeeeah, if there was going to be a shiny new Dialga and Palkia, I think we have enough precedent to confidently say that they would be on the box art. Not featuring them on the box art is giving up anything attention-grabbing in favor of banking on nostalgia and slightly improved graphics being enough to get everyone who played the originals to buy these games again, which only makes sense as a marketing strategy if that's really the only thing you have to offer. Hiding new forms wouldn't do them any favors.

 

[System Error]

Someone posted a possible starter evolution leak on Twitter, take it with a grain of salt of course. :^)

 

[Fairy Type Arceus]

Centro is even more full of bs. Saying before the direct "when they say faithful they mean FAITHFUL"
Ok well even if it wasn't much there was a decent amount of changes so nah get out of here centro

 

[SamurottMan]

Someone posted a possible starter evolution leak on Twitter, take it with a grain of salt of course. :^)

Not another Fire/Fighting

 

[nickdt]

Someone posted a possible starter evolution leak on Twitter, take it with a grain of salt of course. :^)

Noooo... why are we getting another Water/Steel type.

 

[Oriden]

Centro is even more full of bs. Saying before the direct "when they say faithful they mean FAITHFUL"
Ok well even if it wasn't much there was a decent amount of changes so nah get out of here centro

That's kind of a subjective take, though. XP Those changes feel so incredibly minor to me as to not even be notable- the main impression of the game that they're even actively pushing is that it is indeed faithful as hell. You don't litter a trailer with game dialogue and old-style text boxes without intending to scream "Look how faithful we are!" They shoved in a couple new features to compensate for the current time and uphold to new standards, but otherwise seem to have made an absurd effort to keep the game nearly identical to the original in style, text, and proportion. So if you're like me and not swayed by pretty minor and only necessary changes, then so far Centro isn't wrong.

 

[Fairy Type Arceus]

That's kind of a subjective take, though. XP Those changes feel so incredibly minor to me as to not even be notable- the main impression of the game that they're even actively pushing is that it is indeed faithful as hell. You don't litter a trailer with game dialogue and old-style text boxes without intending to scream "Look how faithful we are!" They shoved in a couple new features to compensate for the current time and uphold to new standards, but otherwise seem to have made an absurd effort to keep the game nearly identical to the original in style, text, and proportion. So if you're like me and not swayed by pretty minor and only necessary changes, then so far Centro isn't wrong.

For me its the tweet where they emphasized "when they say faithful they mean FAITHFUL" which would mean literally so faithful that there's nothing new what so ever.

 

[Oriden]

For me its the tweet where they emphasized "when they say faithful they mean FAITHFUL" which would mean literally so faithful that there's nothing new what so ever.

That's just interpretation and kind of putting words in their mouth, though, when that statement is really only literally emphasizing that the games are extremely faithful... which so far does appear to be correct. The few new features don't drastically change the overall feel or story of the game, especially when one is just cosmetic and another seems to be compensating for the lack of GBA slot.

 

[Minya_Nouvelle]

Not really sure if this is considered a leak, but I thought I'd share this here instead of the main thread:

https://twitter.com/pokexperto/status/1432392068622598147

Apparently Pokemon has trademarked all of the new type logos so we can see what they all are. It says its for Legends, but I recognize the grass one from the Gym fight, so I guess they are shared across both games. Does anyone know where I can find these in a non GIF format?

(Also, why do I find it weird that Grass type is now literally represented by grass instead of a leaf?)

 

[Esserise]

Can’t believe there was actually a time where we didn’t really have a mainstream uniform set of type symbols

Now we’ve gotten like 10 different sets over just the last few years

 

[Oriden]

Not really sure if this is considered a leak, but I thought I'd share this here instead of the main thread:

https://twitter.com/pokexperto/status/1432392068622598147

Apparently Pokemon has trademarked all of the new type logos so we can see what they all are. It says its for Legends, but I recognize the grass one from the Gym fight, so I guess they are shared across both games. Does anyone know where I can find these in a non GIF format?

(Also, why do I find it weird that Grass type is now literally represented by grass instead of a leaf?)

Man, as much sense as it makes to use grass, I really prefer the leaf. And I feel like a leaf is a lot clearer, too, especially if you happen to be colorblind.

Can’t believe there was actually a time where we didn’t really have a mainstream uniform set of type symbols

Now we’ve gotten like 10 different sets over just the last few years

Kinda wish they'd just pick a set and stick with it.

 

[Minya_Nouvelle]

Have we really had a bunch? I thought it was just the ones used in GO which were then used in LGPE and SwSh.

Anyway, I took the long way about it and compiled a collage

Spoiler: Collage Image

The ones grouped at the bottom are what we had in SwSh. I couldn't find the new flying symbol. The Ground one is kind of weird. I don't really understand it.

Man, as much sense as it makes to use grass, I really prefer the leaf. And I feel like a leaf is a lot clearer, too, especially if you happen to be colorblind.

It took me way too long to understand this, but yeah, the grass symbol isn't super self explanatory without the color associated with it. A leaf's shape is very distinct and something I've known how to draw for a long time.

 

[Esserise]

Have we really had a bunch? I thought it was just the ones used in GO which were then used in LGPE and SwSh.

Those've been the most visible/"official," but I'm also counting spin-offs.

XY technically gave us the main series's first set of type icons in 2013... but they were pretty obscure, as they only ever appeared on the floor of Diantha's Radiant Chamber. That being the case means they were probably never meant to be a big deal, anyway, but you combine that with the 3DS's 240p graphics, and understandably these symbols slipped under the radar for the most part.

I get the sense that a lot of people maybe didn't quite interpret them this way, but I certainly thought of the symbols on the elemental Z-Crystals as an option for "official" type symbols, especially since they were far more prominent than the aforementioned XY ones. This was in 2016, so around this time, you also had Pokémon GO introducing its set of symbols, which were more simplified in appearance compared to the ones on the Z-Crystals.

Let's Go (2018) adopted the symbols from GO and tweaked them a bit, and then those carried over to SwSh, effectively becoming the "official" type symbols for the mainline games (until now, anyway). But there was also Pokémon Masters (2019), the Mystery Dungeon remake (2020), and New Pokémon Snap (2021), which all introduced their own type symbol designs as well. And technically, you could also consider the different type logos from the various Gym uniforms in SwSh as yet another set.

Basically my point is really just that if you were a fan artist prior to 2016 and you wanted to reference an "official" set of type symbols, you had to rely on more obscure sources like Battrio or Tretta. But then Sun & Moon and GO come out with two big ones, and from there, several different styles of type symbols begin to cascade in from far more high-profile titles than the likes of those arcade machines.

Also, on the whole, I'm pretty fine with this deluge. Especially when it comes to spin-offs, I think it makes sense that they might not want to use the mainline/GO symbols, because their games might have a different art style. And even within the main series, there are different contexts at play - the symbols on SwSh's Gym uniforms should probably be more stylized than the ones used for menu data; the symbols on the Z-Crystals appropriately look a little more "Alolan," and so forth. The only thing I don't get is the shift from the GO/LGPE/SwSh set to the BDSP/Arceus set.

 

[blitzle stan]

Seems to me like Niantic has partial ownership of the symbol set used in GO that was then used as the basis for LGPE and SwSh’s symbols. I can only assume that the relationship between Niantic and TPC has become rough (to some extent) with Niantic’s handling of GO during this pandemic (and honestly… the way Niantic operates generally) so it isn’t surprising to see TPC and Gamefreak making a new set visually independent from GO’s set for use in games going forward.

It’s just unfortunate that it means they probably could not use a leaf, or other obvious symbols like the hypnosis swirl for psychic or the moon for dark. It’s clear to me that a lot of these are different for the sake of being different, which makes me more confident in my idea that they wanted to create a creatively and legally independent set of symbols from the GO ones.

 

[TechSkylander1518]

Could Niantic really pursue any kind of legal argument, though? If the leaves weren't identical, I don't see how they could come up with a case down the line that they owned the idea of using a leaf to represent a plant element. It's not like Go's the first time Pokemon has used these symbols, either- the TCG uses a leaf for Grass and a moon for Dark.

 

[Kallyle]

Could Niantic really pursue any kind of legal argument, though? If the leaves weren't identical, I don't see how they could come up with a case down the line that they owned the idea of using a leaf to represent a plant element. It's not like Go's the first time Pokemon has used these symbols, either- the TCG uses a leaf for Grass and a moon for Dark.

Honestly, Game Freak should just use the TCG symbols for the types that exist there as the symbols for the types in their games. They’re very iconic so it would be easier to just reuse them instead of reinventing the wheel every time.

 

[Oriden]

Seems to me like Niantic has partial ownership of the symbol set used in GO that was then used as the basis for LGPE and SwSh’s symbols. I can only assume that the relationship between Niantic and TPC has become rough (to some extent) with Niantic’s handling of GO during this pandemic (and honestly… the way Niantic operates generally) so it isn’t surprising to see TPC and Gamefreak making a new set visually independent from GO’s set for use in games going forward.

It’s just unfortunate that it means they probably could not use a leaf, or other obvious symbols like the hypnosis swirl for psychic or the moon for dark. It’s clear to me that a lot of these are different for the sake of being different, which makes me more confident in my idea that they wanted to create a creatively and legally independent set of symbols from the GO ones.

Has... GO not handled the pandemic well so far? They've implemented so many changes and bonuses into the game and compensated for so many things, it seems like their handling overall has been pretty stellar. It would be bizarre for TPC to have any issue with them to the point of petty symbol changes.

 

[Esserise]

Has... GO not handled the pandemic well so far? They've implemented so many changes and bonuses into the game and compensated for so many things, it seems like their handling overall has been pretty stellar. It would be bizarre for TPC to have any issue with them to the point of petty symbol changes.

Well, they did try to revert those changes, and consequently received a big blowback online which convinced them not to, but that was very recent and almost certainly didn't affect anything related to BDSP/Legends.

Aside from that all I can think of is relatively minor controversies + discussions about Eggs being lootboxes, but those were happening long before Covid. If TPC didn't care before, they probably still don't now.