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Controversial opinions

It somewhat surprises me that he isn't more infamous like Tobias.
There was actually a subreddit for hating on Alain, though I think it burnt out fairly quickly. It was rather NSFW so I won't link it.

I guess the main reasons could be that Tobias won by a gigantic margin instead of at least a 5-6 and had zero plot importance outside that, while Alain was connected to the Flare plot, and Alain was more liked during the Mega specials, which probably helped him a bit.
 
One of the things that always bothered me about Alain was that he had such a weak reason for going into Kalos League. He wanted to battle Ash again, but he didn't really need to enter the Kalos League just for that. It always felt like this was a last minute change considering he was more associated with Team Flare and Mega Evolution than anything else. It somewhat surprises me that he isn't more infamous like Tobias. Alain kind of felt as if Tobias became a prominent character that the audience was supposed to care about or be invested in at least.

Honestly, they really should have just made Alain interested in Gyms from the start. He wanted to collect Mega Evolution energy, but there were at least two Gym Leaders with Mega Pokemon and there were other trainers in the Kalos League with Mega Pokemon as well. That could have made his inclusion much less forced and they wouldn't have to make him get eight badges ridiculously fast to emphasize just how overpowered his Mega Charizard X was.
Look, I love Charizard and all (just look at my profile,) but (and I may have said this before) even I have to admit Alain's Charizard was stupidly overpowered. I mean, the only things that could stop it after Siebold's Blastoise were Legendaries. Other trainers barely stood a chance. (Trevor.) It just bothered me how no matter damage Alain's Charizard took, it never showed signs of tiring or weakening, and just kept steamrolling through the opposition. Hell, I was rooting for that Remo guy in the Kalos League with the Mega Garchomp, he really wanted to beat Alain. I at least wanted to see some difficulty from Charizard, but nope. Takes down Garchomp even easier than the last time they fought.

I think what really bugs me about Alain, though, is that no matter how hard they tried, nobody could beat the guy. Not even Ash, who had already fought Alain twice, and lost on top of that! You think they'd let Ash win but nooooo. It just really annoyed me how utterly broken and unbeatable ONE Pokemon of Alain's was. The other five members of his team didn't even need to exist, when you had OPzard to win every damn time.
 
Look, I love Charizard and all (just look at my profile,) but (and I may have said this before) even I have to admit Alain's Charizard was stupidly overpowered. I mean, the only things that could stop it after Siebold's Blastoise were Legendaries. Other trainers barely stood a chance. (Trevor.) It just bothered me how no matter damage Alain's Charizard took, it never showed signs of tiring or weakening, and just kept steamrolling through the opposition. Hell, I was rooting for that Remo guy in the Kalos League with the Mega Garchomp, he really wanted to beat Alain. I at least wanted to see some difficulty from Charizard, but nope. Takes down Garchomp even easier than the last time they fought.

I think what really bugs me about Alain, though, is that no matter how hard they tried, nobody could beat the guy. Not even Ash, who had already fought Alain twice, and lost on top of that! You think they'd let Ash win but nooooo. It just really annoyed me how utterly broken and unbeatable ONE Pokemon of Alain's was. The other five members of his team didn't even need to exist, when you had OPzard to win every damn time.
I want a rematch where Ash uses Snorlax to cheese OPzard and then sweeps the rest with his own Charizard to turn the tables lol.
 
I guess the main reasons could be that Tobias won by a gigantic margin instead of at least a 5-6 and had zero plot importance outside that, while Alain was connected to the Flare plot, and Alain was more liked during the Mega specials, which probably helped him a bit.
Yeah, the match coming down to the wire and Alain having some other role beyond beating Ash probably helped. He was pretty well received with at least the first two Mega Evolution specials. It just never really seemed like a big enough difference from Tobias in a way to me. They still filled the same role of stop Ash from winning a League. Losing to Alain also felt way more frustrating than what happened with Tobias too. At least Ash went down fighting against Legendary Pokemon, which is cooler/more impressive than losing to an overpowered broken Mega Charizard X.
 
Look, I love Charizard and all (just look at my profile,) but (and I may have said this before) even I have to admit Alain's Charizard was stupidly overpowered. I mean, the only things that could stop it after Siebold's Blastoise were Legendaries. Other trainers barely stood a chance. (Trevor.) It just bothered me how no matter damage Alain's Charizard took, it never showed signs of tiring or weakening, and just kept steamrolling through the opposition. Hell, I was rooting for that Remo guy in the Kalos League with the Mega Garchomp, he really wanted to beat Alain. I at least wanted to see some difficulty from Charizard, but nope. Takes down Garchomp even easier than the last time they fought.

I think what really bugs me about Alain, though, is that no matter how hard they tried, nobody could beat the guy. Not even Ash, who had already fought Alain twice, and lost on top of that! You think they'd let Ash win but nooooo. It just really annoyed me how utterly broken and unbeatable ONE Pokemon of Alain's was. The other five members of his team didn't even need to exist, when you had OPzard to win every damn time.
It made Ash Greninja’s arc a waste in the end. I could write a whole essay about it.
 
I've seen some people asking for Alain to be brought back for the PWC so Ash can finally beat him and that cursed Zard X.

But I've said here before and will say it again: I still don't think an Alain rematch could work without Greninja being the one to bring that lizard to an halt or at least being part of it. Not only would the fans be absoutely livid (with full reasoning imo) but also the fact that it just... wouldn't make sense to not bring the frog back for the fight. Which adds another complicated layers to the issue because they would need to bring Greninja back first...

But being slightly on-topic: I'll forever hate that Charizard man. Nothing but a cataclysmic nuclear bomb of a Pokémon who always won no matter what. Also, I personally find it insane there's not a singular frame where it looks tired and/or hurt, it's just a killing machine that went amok and nothing is able to stop it. I won't ever forgive whoever came up with that idea.
 
Alan went from rather liked to widely hated.

All it took was him entering the League without a proper reason and defeating Satoshi with a broken Mega.
I'll never understand this "Alain's reason for joining the League is bad" thing. Wanting to fight strong people is bad now? Isn't that part of why people participate in the League to begin with?
 
I'm pretty sure people join the league in hopes of winning to fight through the Elite Four and then finally the Champion. Alain, to my knowledge, never wanted to be Champ and probably never alluded to it. One could argue he'd want to face Diantha since she has a Mega Gardevoir, but didn't he say he joined just to battle Ash?
 
I'll never understand this "Alain's reason for joining the League is bad" thing. Wanting to fight strong people is bad now? Isn't that part of why people participate in the League to begin with?
He only wanted to battle against Ash, which he could have done quite easily outside of the Kalos League. They already battled twice, so it wouldn't have been that hard or unlikely for the two of them to meet prior to the Kalos League. Plus, it was done so late in the series and that meant he had to get eight badges extremely fast. If the Kalos League was any indication, he most likely defeated eight Gym Leaders with just his Mega Charizard X. Wanting to face off against Ash wouldn't have been a problem if Alain was already collecting Gym badges. Ash being an extra motivation for him to get to the Kalos League instead of the driving force probably would have been fine.
 
Btw... considering he wanted to join just to battle Ash, and their first battle was in XY103, and in XY123 he received his 8th Badge...

Are you telling me with a straight face and your full chest Alain managed to grab 8 Gym Badges in 20 eps and made it in time for the League???? I don't buy it.
Well, considering he has several flight-capable Pokemon and isn't wasting time helping every random stranger with their life issues, yes, yes I can.
 
I've seen some people asking for Alain to be brought back for the PWC so Ash can finally beat him and that cursed Zard X.

But I've said here before and will say it again: I still don't think an Alain rematch could work without Greninja being the one to bring that lizard to an halt or at least being part of it. Not only would the fans be absoutely livid (with full reasoning imo) but also the fact that it just... wouldn't make sense to not bring the frog back for the fight. Which adds another complicated layers to the issue because they would need to bring Greninja back first...
I agree with the main thrust but also think it would be pretty easy to bring Greninja back if they wanted to; just say he finished up in Kalos.
If they wanted to.
 
Plus, it was done so late in the series and that meant he had to get eight badges extremely fast.
Are you telling me with a straight face and your full chest Alain managed to grab 8 Gym Badges in 20 eps and made it in time for the League???? I don't buy it.
It was extremely fast, and by extremely fast, it was literally 7 episodes. After Ash's 2nd encounter with Alain...and technically 2 losses against him in the same episode, they take a moment to cut away from the main focus of the episode to show us that Alain defeated Korrina to earn his final badge. This was only 7 episodes after we saw him in XY116. And I remember some saying Sawyer got his too quickly. Between Sawyer's first encounter with Ash and when we learned Sawyer qualified for the Kalos League, there was at least 45 episodes between.
 
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Well, considering he has several flight-capable Pokemon and isn't wasting time helping every random stranger with their life issues, yes, yes I can.
Even with both of those factors, I think that's still expecting a lot for the audience to buy, especially when I don't recall Alain primarily using his Pokemon to travel around in the Mega Evolution specials. We didn't even know if he had any other Pokemon on him until his second battle with Ash. Not only does it still feel unbelievable to me, but arguably the bigger problem was that it continued to over hype Alain as this extremely powerful trainer. Ever since the last Mega Evolution special where Charizard defeated ten trainers in a row, including an Elite 4 member, it felt like they were going out of their way to make Alain more powerful. That's why he primarily just relied on his Mega Charizard X for the Kalos League too. He was always strong, but they were going the extra mile to overhype his strength to the point where I found it eye rolling.

If the ultimate goal was always to have Alain enter the Kalos League, then I still don't understand why he wasn't already aiming for that at the start or at the very least much sooner than it turned out to be. It would still help with his role in Team Flare and they wouldn't have had to give him eight badges ridiculously fast. They could have probably had Ash and Alain meet sooner, but that might have been more difficult given that he was interested in Ash-Greninja and their battles basically boiled down to Mega Charizard X vs. Ash-Greninja. Still, like most of Ash's XY rivals, being introduced sooner probably would have helped given the impact they had on the series.
 
Here's one to fight over:
There is no "good league" except for Alola and somewhat Hoenn and the rest have parts which are a steaming pile of trubbish (mostly the ending)
Kanto made Ash lose to some weird (and BS) rule that counts asleep as fainted. By that logic, the top trainer is using an all sleep team and using rest is tantamount to forfeiting.
Jotho made ash lose due to "oh Hoenn Pokemon OP lol" which was a bit insulting
Hoenn had Ash lose to some dude with a meowth (although that one wasn't as bad)
Sinnoh had Ash lose to a bloody hacker (You can tell Tobias was created to make Ash lose, he even has the word "bias" in his name)
Unova: Ash loses due to a Deus Ex Machina moment
Kalos: Ash loses a battle that he shouldn't have lost and for reasons you discussed above
 
Jotho made ash lose due to "oh Hoenn Pokemon OP lol" which was a bit insulting
Uhh, no? He lost to an older, more experienced trainer with foreign pokemon in a battle that came down to the wire and crippled the winner’s ace to the point he lost the following round. It was the most believable league loss we’ve had so far.
 
Uhh, no? He lost to an older, more experienced trainer with foreign pokemon in a battle that came down to the wire and crippled the winner’s ace to the point he lost the following round. It was the most believable league loss we’ve had so far.
Also Charizard was tired enough that he couldn't win. It's implied he would've won that one if Charizard hadn't been worn down by Gary's Blastoise
 
Harrison was probably the blandest league rival Ash ever lost to as well. Did that guy have any personality at all? His design was also stock COTD and looked like any random background character.

Honestly out of all the league rivals Ash lost to, Harrison is the one I forget the most. Not a single thing about him stood out.
 
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