SV Leaks and/or Rumours Thread

[Dizzard]

I will say to this what I always do, game freak aren't on some minimum or maximum quota of new pokemon designs, a convergent pokemon existing doesnt make another pokemon not exist.
If there was no wiglett there wouldnt be some other new pokemon in the dex in their place.

I definitely understand that.

If you exclude the convergent Pokemon and paradox Pokemon, you end up with 85 Pokemon. Which is pretty much in line with recent generations if you leave out the mega evolutions/gigantamax forms. So I don't think we're missing out on anything, at least not in this generation.

You can't guarantee that that will always be the case in the future though. Why make an entirely new Pokemon when a convergent Pokemon can also do the job with less design work? (that's a very cynical take on what could happen though) I guess I'm more worried about the direction we could head in rather than where we are right now.

I could be completely off base and convergent Pokemon end up being dropped in the next generation altogether (like Ultra Beasts) or they never add more than a small handful of them each gen. So I could be barking up the wrong tree with this.

 

[Articfoxgamez]

I definitely understand that.

If you exclude the convergent Pokemon and paradox Pokemon, you end up with 85 Pokemon. Which is pretty much in line with recent generations if you leave out the mega evolutions/gigantamax forms. So I don't think we're missing out on anything, at least not in this generation.

You can't guarantee that that will always be the case in the future though. Why make an entirely new Pokemon when a convergent Pokemon can also do the job with less design work? (that's a very cynical take on what could happen though) I guess I'm more worried about the direction we could head in rather than where we are right now.

I could be completely off base and convergent Pokemon end up being dropped in the next generation altogether (like Ultra Beasts) or they never add more than a small handful of them each gen. So I could be barking up the wrong tree with this.

I cant say for sure on tentacool/cruels rfake but, wiglett and Diglett atleast give me the vibe that gamefreak put thought into the ideas and it's not just an excuse to be lazy, again look at a garden eel and a Diglett and you can see how gamefreak got the idea.
Granted like you said that can always change but, overall every single pokemon has a lot of thought put into it no matter how lazy it might look at first glance.

 

[Kallyle]

They certainly look like Paldean Diglett

I feel like the reasoning for the difference is "just because".

That's Diglett. I mean, that's not a RF, that's just a pink Diglett. I honestly don't understand the choice to create "new" pokémon that are basically recolors of old pokémon. Don't we have too many pokémon already?

To be honest I get that mimics exist in real life but when something like that shows up in a game it reads less like "cool reference to nature" and more like "lazy palette swap".

I'm not sure if I have the confidence in Gamefreak that this would remain as just a reference to convergent evolution and not just eventually become a method to create new Pokemon with less effort required.

I am so sorry, but this is kinda stupid. It should have been Paledean Diglett, it doesn't have enough differences design-wise to justify that this is a totally new pokemon. Some regional forms are much different in design than their originals and still counted as regional forms. I really don't understand the idea behind this decision. Also, wiglett looks and moves, how can I say politely, not appropriate kinda.

Personally, I think that the whole rfake deal only exists because Game Freak couldn’t justify Regional Variants having a mole become an eel or a jellyfish turn into a mushroom. Instead of just scrapping the idea, Game Freak just made those nonsensical regional form designs into separate species altogether. From the reactions we seem to be getting from this thread, I think they would have been better off scrapping those ideas.

Either that, or the theme of SV as a whole is supposed to be “things are not always as they seem” and this is just an extension of that. This would fit in with the other leaked information we have received thus far.

 

[bulbasaur99]

Personally, I think that the whole rfake deal only exists because Game Freak couldn’t justify Regional Variants having a mole become an eel or a jellyfish turn into a mushroom. Instead of just scrapping the idea, Game Freak just made those nonsensical regional form designs into separate species altogether. From the reactions we seem to be getting from this thread, I think they would have been better off scrapping those ideas.

Either that, or the theme of SV as a whole is supposed to be “things are not always as they seem” and this is just an extension of that. This would fit in with the other leaked information we have received thus far.

Then they should have spent more time and designed an eel which isn't diglett and design a mushroom which isn't tentacool. They didn't need the scrap the ideas, just put more effort into them.

 

[Minya_Nouvelle]

Call it eel, convergent or whatever you want. This is just a pink Diglett. The laziest thing ever. And one day it will take the spot of your favorite pokémon in a regional dex.

Like it or not, Wiglett is going to become someone's favorite Pokemon. You can't use the dex issue as a reason to hate on it. That applies to any pokemon that a particular person doesn't like. And it being a regional form without a dex number wouldn't make it any less work to put in a game. You could just as easily argue that alolan meowth is "just a blue meowth" and having it in the game takes away time that could go into putting a different pokemon in. It's not about a dex number quota. It's about opportunity cost.

I personally think it's cute and funny; and I will probably have it on my team at some point. It's better than Alolan Diglett.

 

[RK9]

I personally think it's cute and funny; and I will probably have it on my team at some point. It's better than Alolan Diglett.

Very low bar to beat, to be fair.

 

[LuxrayOfTheWild]

Also I'm so goddamn sick of the term RFake thanks to Khu trying so hard to pass it off as its own thing when even he admitted it was a mistake. These aren't a special category of Pokemon. They're not referred to as one. They're just new Pokemon the mimic old ones, like Mimikyu. This one is just extremely lazy though.

 

[AngryBinacle]

Found a list on twitter of featuring every Regional Form, Pokémon getting evolutions (wether regional or regular), Ancient Species and Convergent Species leaked so far for

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This thing is outdated and incorrect. Murkrow won't receive anything new, it's missing Bisharp's evo, Primeape's evo, and the Tentacool-like mushroom. Ancient species are also not really 'ancient' and there are actually around 16 of those 'Paradox' Pokémon in total.

There's a pastebin somewhere with all the leaked information constantly getting updated.

 

[Zweilous]

It's an interesting idea, but I have to agree I'm not too fond of the execution. As said before, convergent evolution is an interesting part of the world and seeing that replicated in Pokemon would allow for some fun Pokemon, but Wiglett sticks a little too close to Diglett for me to really get on board with it. It could've used a few more differences to stick out more since as is it'd still fit more as a Regional Form.

 

[Joker901]

Like it or not, Wiglett is going to become someone's favorite Pokemon. You can't use the dex issue as a reason to hate on it. That applies to any pokemon that a particular person doesn't like. And it being a regional form without a dex number wouldn't make it any less work to put in a game. You could just as easily argue that alolan meowth is "just a blue meowth" and having it in the game takes away time that could go into putting a different pokemon in. It's not about a dex number quota. It's about opportunity cost.

I personally think it's cute and funny; and I will probably have it on my team at some point. It's better than Alolan Diglett.

Alolan Meowth is just a blue Meowth because IT IS Meowth and having it in the game won't take away any time because it's a Meowth's form that will be in the game only if Meowth is programmed in It. It won't take an additional spot.
If both Diglett and Wiglett will be in gen 10, then 4 spots of the dex are taken by basically the same pokemon in different colors.
This is such a lazy thing. The pokémon itself is a copypaste, its concept in the game overworld is a copypaste and even its evolution is a copypaste. I mean, guys, It's litterally a pink Diglett. I won't try to convince myself It isn't, cause it's like evident?
They revealed it in a video where basically everyone was trying to understand why that's not a Diglett form. How can I not ask myself the same?

 

[Myth]

Looks more like a worm to me than an eel.

I was going to say this, doesn't look like an eel to me

 

[Minya_Nouvelle]

Alolan Meowth is just a blue Meowth because IT IS Meowth and having it in the game won't take away any time because it's a Meowth's form that will be in the game only if Meowth is programmed in It. It won't take an additional spot.
If both Diglett and Wiglett will be in gen 10, then 4 spots of the dex are taken by basically the same pokemon in different colors.
This is such a lazy thing. The pokémon itself is a copypaste, its concept in the game overworld is a copypaste and even its evolution is a copypaste. I mean, guys, It's litterally a pink Diglett. I won't try to convince myself It isn't, cause it's like evident?
They revealed it in a video where basically everyone was trying to understand why that's not a Diglett form. How can I not ask myself the same?

There are no "spots". If meowth wasn't in the game, that's work that could go to four different pokemon. It's the same. Meowth + Alolan meowth is still 4 pokemon models. Diglett + Wiglett is 4 Pokemon models.

I don't care if you don't like the design. I just don't understand why it matters if it's classified as a form or not.

 

[Joker901]

There are no "spots". If meowth wasn't in the game, that's work that could go to four different pokemon. It's the same. Meowth + Alolan meowth is still 4 pokemon models. Diglett + Wiglett is 4 Pokemon models.

I don't care if you don't like the design. I just don't understand why it matters if it's classified as a form or not.

I'm not talking about designs, I'm talking of actual spots in the dex. Let's say Gen 10 will have a regional pokedex of 400 pokemon. All three Meowth will occupy the same spot (1). Diglett and Wiglett will occupy different spots (2). This means two pokemon will be left out from gen 10 to make space to Wiglett and Wugtrio, which are basically Diglett and Dugtrio in pink.

 

[Kallyle]

If both Diglett and Wiglett will be in gen 10, then 4 spots of the dex are taken by basically the same pokemon in different colors.

I'm not talking about designs, I'm talking of actual spots in the dex. Let's say Gen 10 will have a regional pokedex of 400 pokemon. All three Meowth will occupy the same spot (1). Diglett and Wiglett will occupy different spots (2). This means two pokemon will be left out from gen 10 to make space to Wiglett and Wugtrio, which are basically Diglett and Dugtrio in pink.

While I understand the concern, it could just as easily be an excuse not to include Wiglett and Wugtrio, or maybe even appear in a Pokédex where the original Diglett and Dugtrio are absent entirely. If they were forms, they both would have to be included along with the Alolan forms in a single region. However, because they are classified as separate species, these new Pokémon are not obligated to appear whenever Diglett and Dugtrio do. The same can also apply to Diglett and Dugtrio’s inclusion in future titles with Wiglett and Wugtrio.

At the very least, that’s how things could go (and the way thing should go).

 

[Joker901]

While I understand the concern, it could just as easily be an excuse not to include Wiglett and Wugtrio, or maybe even appear in a Pokédex where the original Diglett and Dugtrio are absent entirely. If they were forms, they both would have to be included along with the Alolan forms. However, because they are classified as separate species, these new Pokémon are not obligated to appear whenever Diglett and Dugtrio do. The same can also apply to Diglett and Dugtrio’s inclusion in future titles with Wiglett and Wugtrio.

At the very least, that’s how things could go (and the way thing should go).

This is true. But they should be in the game at some point. For example, you can make Diglett skip gen 10. But if You make both skip generation 10 and then introduce only one of them in Gen 11, the other one would be absent from a game for more than 6 years. I mean, don't we have enough pokemon already that we barely ever see to be forced to give space to pokemon that are clearly just other pokemon clones?
Couldn't these be just Water type Diglett?

 

[nickdt]

I was going to say this, doesn't look like an eel to me

WAIT! WHAT? ITS AN EEL? I thought it was a sandworm.

 

[Joker901]

WAIT! WHAT? ITS AN EEL? I thought it was a sandworm.

It's on the beach, this makes it an eel apparently.

 

[Bigfoot_the_Pokémon]

Heh? Wiglett?

Kinda... interesting. Not the water Diglett we were thinking but at least it's something. Wish it was designed better though

 

[Minya_Nouvelle]

I'm not talking about designs, I'm talking of actual spots in the dex. Let's say Gen 10 will have a regional pokedex of 400 pokemon. All three Meowth will occupy the same spot (1). Diglett and Wiglett will occupy different spots (2). This means two pokemon will be left out from gen 10 to make space to Wiglett and Wugtrio, which are basically Diglett and Dugtrio in pink.

By that logic; future pokemon just shouldn't have dex numbers anymore. That way, they can all be included in the game without taking up any "spots".

There is likely a limit to the amount of pokemon they would consider including in the game/dex, but there's nothing stopping them from treating Wiglett like a regional variant and having it be in the game without it being in the dex. This has already been done in Sword/Shield with other gen starters and ultra beasts. They could have a random NPC trade you a wiglett for a diglett, but it's just not part of the actual dex.

But ultimately, regional forms probably do take up "spots" even if we don't see it. All the time they spent shoving alolan forms in Sword/Shield DLC COULD have gone to adding in the gen 5 and 6 starters. The fact that they don't have dex numbers doesn't make them "free" to add.

 

[AngryBinacle]

I don't think there's a such a 'either/or' situation going on on the micro-level like this.