Ereshkigal
Far too mouthy for my own good.
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And yet, there still remains more symmetry between Lillie's outfit and what the rest of the Aether Foundation wears than between Lillie's outfit and the Nihilego.
She had also just caught the thing when we encounter her. By the time we get there, it's already possessed and left Guzma and she already has it in a Beast Ball. It literally was her first opportunity after catching the Pokemon.
I can say it because no one comments on it. A quirk like that would draw commentary, especially for a game made in Japan.
I got about the same sense of feeling with her interactions towards her own children.
Which explains nothing about the distance she had towards them before. And considering how Lillie almost got caught, it's very doubtful Lillie was sneaky enough to pull off stealing Cosmog without someone who knows her well noticing something was at least off. Overall, Lusamine didn't care enough about her daughter while the girl was still there to even notice.
How can he research a creature enough to know how it acts and what it looks like if he's never seen it? It is through his research that they first become aware of it, after all.
In effect, all this argues is that Lusamine had no basis for dressing Lillie to look like Nihilego, since she has no realistic reason to even know what the Pokemon looks like.
That's just it: You're assuming they all have absolutely no way of knowing what these people look like, despite the fact Mohn spent an unknown amount of time with them and one of them is confirmed as being capable of possessing people. We don't even truly know the details of how Mohn got all of his information about Nihilego, but the amount he did know does suggest the experiment where he fell in the portal was far from the first.
The other problem is that we have no information about how Ultra Space works, and most of the Ultra Beasts were completely unknown prior to the events of Sun and Moon. Except that the only native we see in it is capable of shapeshifting while there. So it might possibly be an inherent aspect of native life to Ultra Space.
I hope they do Pokemon Stars and expand both on the capabilities of the Ultra Beasts and the research that Mohn did. We have too much missing information.
Again, the symmetry is meant to be between Nihilego and Lusamine's children, not Nihilego and Lusamine's entire sphere of influence. She doesn't dress the Foundation members like it for the simple reason that it's not what the story is intending for her character to do.
And yet, there still remains more symmetry between Lillie's outfit and what the rest of the Aether Foundation wears than between Lillie's outfit and the Nihilego.
She didn't "take the first opportunity," though. She was in Ultra Space for quite a while before we showed up, and didn't merge with it until she decided to battle us. It was a power move.
She had also just caught the thing when we encounter her. By the time we get there, it's already possessed and left Guzma and she already has it in a Beast Ball. It literally was her first opportunity after catching the Pokemon.
There's no indication one way or the other as to how she dressed Gladion, so you can't say that she didn't dress him like Nihilego any more than you can say she did.
I can say it because no one comments on it. A quirk like that would draw commentary, especially for a game made in Japan.
Frankly, I never much got the sense that she had any particular feelings toward the other Foundation members. The story doesn't explore that area at all.
I got about the same sense of feeling with her interactions towards her own children.
Um... yeah? That's kinda the whole point... Gladion ran away, and then Lillie ran away, which Lusamine, in the midst of her warped grief-turned-obsession, perceived as being rejected by them. As she sees it, they decided they didn't need her anymore, so she feels she no longer needs them. Mohn is gone, her kids ran away from her, and all she has left is her obsession with the Ultra Beasts.
> Lusamine: My... You do say such incomprehensible things. Calling me mother? I don't have any children! Certainly not any wretched children who would run off and reject my love!
> Lusamine: Maybe if you really had been a daughter to me, I would have listened to you... Too bad.
> Lusamine: The daughter who stole my Cosmog from me and the son who took my Type: Null! All I ever did was give you two all the love I had, and all you did was betray me! You have no right to ask for my attention now!
Which explains nothing about the distance she had towards them before. And considering how Lillie almost got caught, it's very doubtful Lillie was sneaky enough to pull off stealing Cosmog without someone who knows her well noticing something was at least off. Overall, Lusamine didn't care enough about her daughter while the girl was still there to even notice.
It didn't possess Mohn... There's no suggestion that Nihilego or any other UBs appeared when Mohn opened a wormhole to Ultra Space, or that Lusamine was even present at that moment. Mohn didn't get possessed, he tried to open a wormhole, but the experiment went south and he fell in, leaving behind Cosmog and his research papers about Nihilego. Some time later, he popped out on Poké Pelago with no memory of who he was.
How can he research a creature enough to know how it acts and what it looks like if he's never seen it? It is through his research that they first become aware of it, after all.
In effect, all this argues is that Lusamine had no basis for dressing Lillie to look like Nihilego, since she has no realistic reason to even know what the Pokemon looks like.
Mimicking people from a different dimension with whom those UBs have never come into contact? (And why would they do this? Why would four Pheromosa decide to style themselves after Lusamine, or two Xurkitree style themselves after Guzma, or an entire horde of Nihilego style themselves after Lillie? And why only those three species of UB? Moreover, how? Only Nihilego is said to have shapeshifting capabilities.)
That's just it: You're assuming they all have absolutely no way of knowing what these people look like, despite the fact Mohn spent an unknown amount of time with them and one of them is confirmed as being capable of possessing people. We don't even truly know the details of how Mohn got all of his information about Nihilego, but the amount he did know does suggest the experiment where he fell in the portal was far from the first.
The other problem is that we have no information about how Ultra Space works, and most of the Ultra Beasts were completely unknown prior to the events of Sun and Moon. Except that the only native we see in it is capable of shapeshifting while there. So it might possibly be an inherent aspect of native life to Ultra Space.
I hope they do Pokemon Stars and expand both on the capabilities of the Ultra Beasts and the research that Mohn did. We have too much missing information.
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