Speculation Will the potential DPP remakes feature Dynamax?

[Blast]

This question has been bothering me. After spending more than 500 hours with Sword and Shield and playing in many online battles, I've really come to dislike the Dynamax mechanic and I would be happy if they ditched it for future games. However, in the last remake the story and battles were reworked to prominently show off Mega Evolution, some Pokémon even getting Mega Evolutions solely because of story and character purposes (Sharpedo, Camerupt, Latios/Latias, etc). Will history repeat itself and adapt Dynamax as a large part of the games' story and region? How would this work? It's known that Sinnoh and especially Mt. Coronet are pretty the much the origin of the Pokémon world and it's thick with mythology and lore. To me, it seems awkward to suddenly shoehorn giant Pokémon into this narrative while keeping it consistent with the original.

On top of that, what about the Gyms? Obviously you need a big open space (stadium) to Dynamax your Pokémon and I thought the stadiums of Galar were one of the unique the aspects of the region, but will Sinnoh also be littered with stadiums as Gyms in the remake to allow of Dynamaxing? I'm not really comfortable with tranquil towns like Snowpoint or even Eterna erect a huge stadium since it'd likely ruin the atmosphere that made those towns special. On the other hand, a larger Gym would fit well with cities like Jubilife, Hearthome and Sunyshore.

There's many complications and big alterations would have to made to the original games' story and Sinnoh as a region if Dynamax would return in the potential remakes. Do you think it'll happen or that Dynamax is a Galar exclusive mechanic? How would the remakes have change to fit in Dynamax if it does carry over? Please discuss

 

[colours]

i feel like im in the minority in that the more i experience dynamax, the more i don't really mind it? it introduced depth and strategy in battles. do you d/gmax your pokemon early to quickly score a KO, or do you dynamax late game in the hopes of turning things around? timing has always been pretty crucial when it comes to dynamaxing and it isn't some sort of "press this button to win" which i really like about it. but i get that's not really the point of this thread.

i mean.... i hate to give the boring answer but who knows, right? if i had to take a guess, i feel like it depends on whether or not dppt remakes come out during the gen 8 time period. if it does, i'd be hard pressed to think that game freak wouldn't include some sort of battle facility specifically for the purposes of dynamax matches. as for whether they'll be prominently featured in the story.... i guess that's pretty much up in the air. if mega evolution managed to weave its way into the oras universe, then can't see why not, for better or worse. it would be interesting to see sinnoh with dynamaxing included, tbh.

 

[Esserise]

It's known that Sinnoh and especially Mt. Coronet are pretty the much the origin of the Pokémon world and it's thick with mythology and lore. To me, it seems awkward to suddenly shoehorn giant Pokémon into this narrative while keeping it consistent with the original.

Lore that already curiously mentions "defeated giants" as the source of power behind Arceus's plates, so it wouldn't really be that hard to fit them in.

Frankly, "primordial titans that had to be vanquished by the gods before the universe as we know it could form" is a staple of creation mythology. Regardless of Dynamax, that's almost certainly the kind of trope that the Plates are referencing in the first place. But it does lay the ground for a retcon if they're interested in it - after all, for one thing, we don't know where Eternatus comes from, only that it's ancient. You could stitch it into Arceus's history and all that, especially if you wanted a reason to give Arceus a powerful new form. Maybe Eternamax Eternatus was just too powerful for Arceus to defeat in its regular form. On a similar note, the quartet of Arceus, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina facing off against Eternatus would look very much like a Max Raid Battle.

On top of that, what about the Gyms? Obviously you need a big open space (stadium) to Dynamax your Pokémon and I thought the stadiums of Galar were one of the unique the aspects of the region, but will Sinnoh also be littered with stadiums as Gyms in the remake to allow of Dynamaxing? I'm not really comfortable with tranquil towns like Snowpoint or even Eterna erect a huge stadium since it'd likely ruin the atmosphere that made those towns special.

Turffield is a tranquil little town, they've got a stadium there. I'd say the same about Stow-on-Side, Ballonlea, and even Circhester. Certainly a Dynamax stadium wouldn't be any more jarring in Eterna than the cyberpunk Galactic office tower.

Of course, for me personally, atmosphere is determined far more by music - it's those soft guitar strums that tell me what kind of place Turffield is. It's the banjo and the whistling that informs Eterna in my head. But at any rate, I've always thought of the Gyms as big sports centers anyway and I've never understood why they aren't more of a spectator sport. So I guess it just doesn't strike me as all that different from how I already think of the towns. (Or, perhaps the way that Gyms are portrayed in the anime has some influence over my perception as well - for instance, here's Canalave's Gym in the anime. Much more akin to the kind of thing we see in Sword & Shield, so I suppose my impression is that the "small" Gyms in all the games up until now were more a consequence of map size and scale than any deliberate aesthetic goal.)

Of course, there's another option - simply do away with the Gyms and have the Gym Leader battles take place in more naturalistic terrain with a clearing. Most towns in Sinnoh have some kind of adjunct that could serve as a Trial site-esque dungeon, even though that's probably a more liberal reworking than GF would be open to. But think of the Oreburgh Mine, Eterna Forest, Amity Square, Great Marsh, and Snowpoint Temple. And you could invent new stuff for Veilstone, Canalave, and Sunyshore.

There's many complications and big alterations would have to made to the original games' story and Sinnoh as a region if Dynamax would return in the potential remakes. Do you think it'll happen or that Dynamax is a Galar exclusive mechanic? How would the remakes have change to fit in Dynamax if it does carry over? Please discuss

I'm not convinced it will happen in the ways that I've proposed, but I primarily do think it would be odd to drop a defining battle mechanic right in the middle of a generation. I understand cycling them out when a new gen starts up, but not when they've only had two years in the meta and there's still games on the same engine coming out.

In any case, I don't think the adjustments needed to fit it in would really be all that sweeping. The games would inherently be getting a graphical upgrade as part of being remade for the Switch, so the towns will probably feel a bit bigger anyway. The major characters would all use it for climactic battles. The story might weave it in somehow but the broad strokes would still be the same, just like Mega Evolution in ORAS. There'd be some way of doing Max Raids with people, maybe in the Underground - seems like a good fit for it, what with the idea of Pokémon Dens and the Underground being a multiplayer hub already.

 

[Giant Octopodes]

Personally I hope not. I find that Dynamaxing reduces the available movepool from Hundreds of moves, with varied effects, to Dozens, with those which set weather or boost speed for you and your allies being overwhelmingly superior to all other moves. It reduces the complexity of the game to an absurd degree and reinforces all of the things which are already negatives in my eyes (poor balancing, OHKOs abounding and a low total number of turns reducing the variety of effective moves, a lot of strategic elements having low availability combined with low payoff, and so forth). I like Raid Dens, they're interesting and great, though the way they handle the mandatory health gates is suboptimal and the AI "helpers" are a joke. But teams with Dynamax vs Dynamax are just less interesting and less varied than teams without.

I know a lot of folks would loathe an environment where an opponent can defense curl over and over until they're nearly immune to physical harm, and have that be viable strategically. However I can't be alone in thinking such an environment, where you *must* utilize special attacks, or fixed damage attacks, or status ailments, or things of that nature, would be far preferable to one wherein Defense Curl is a joke and is basically unusable. Perhaps I am alone in that thought, though. Am I?

 

[GhostLucario]

Personally, I hope not because I do not like it.

But being realistic, it will probably be in a hypothetical Gen 8 DPP remake. Why? BEcause it is the generation's gimmick. And based on what happened in Gen 6, XY made it seem like Mega evolution was this Kalos-only secret which very few people knew and was treated as legend. And they made a big deal of it being a "Kalos " thing because of the energy of the weapon is what created mega stones and all that lore. Then ORAS come out and GF retcons things as if mega evolution is something people all over the pokemon world have always known. Then in Gen 7, megas were also in Alola without any explanation.

So I expect GF to do the same and suddenly have dynamax in Sinnoh with little to no explanation.

 

[RileyXY1]

I think that Dynamaxing runs contrary to everything we know about Sinnoh.

 

[Daenerys]

I would hope not but knowing Gamefreak they'll find some ridiculous way to tie Sinnoh and Galar together like how they tied Hoenn and Kalos together in terms of Mega Evolution lore...

 

[RileyXY1]

I think that Dynamax will destroy everything unique about Sinnoh and transform it into a complete clone of Galar.

 

[Tood]

I think that Dynamax will destroy everything unique about Sinnoh and transform it into a complete clone of Galar.

They can just hold battles outside.

No one ever said Dynamax 100% needs a big-ass stadium and commercialization to exist.

 

[RileyXY1]

They can just hold battles outside.

No one ever said Dynamax 100% needs a big-ass stadium and commercialization to exist.

According to the plot of Sword and Shield and Chairman Rose's motivations it does.

 

[Tood]

According to the plot of Sword and Shield and Chairman Rose's motivations it does.

That's Rose. They don't need to market like a sports thing. They can just retcon like they've done like everything else. Instead of sports, link it to tradition.

All they need is a power spot, and they can grow.

 

[RileyXY1]

That's Rose. They don't need to market like a sports thing. They can just retcon like they've done like everything else. Instead of sports, link it to tradition.

All they need is a power spot, and they can grow.

Chairman Rose's motivations and actions would make absolutely no sense if they did that.

 

[Blast]

I think that Dynamax will destroy everything unique about Sinnoh and transform it into a complete clone of Galar.

I sort of agree with you. One of the reasons I disliked ORAS (while RSE are my all time favorite games) was because I felt they overly focussed on the previously unrelated Mega Evolution. I fear DPP remakes might be the same. Instead of injecting the old games with a new gimmick and making that into the vocal point, I'd rather GF spends more time of fixing and improving the flaws of the original game and enhancing its strongest points. For this reason, HGSS are far better and richer remakes than ORAS in my eyes too. Johto came completely into its own on the DS with the improved hardware and distinguishes itself clearly from DPP. In fact, Gen 4 games aren't even similar. On the other hand, take away Mega Evolution from ORAS and you have almost nothing left.

What I'm trying to say is: if the older games were already great in their own right, all that needs to be done is to translate that greatness to the new generation without adding unnecessary tack-ons for no reason, let alone completely design the game around them.

 

[colours]

so there's two ways to look at this:

you can look at this in the lens of fr/lg and hg/ss and be like "hey, i want remakes to stay as faithful to the originals as possible and leave as little room as possible for generational gimmicks. update the graphics to the current gen, add a few nice things and that's it"

or

you can look at this in the lens of oras and say "i think current gen mechanics might add something to the lore and flavour of the region, so i think future remakes should include them".

so i would ask myself whether or not dpp remakes would really even need the dynamax mechanic to be more interesting than it is to begin with. in oras' case, i feel like mega evolution can be seen as a bit more of an organic thing that isn't exclusive to kalos, but dynamax is a traditional thing. so if sinnoh had them, i'd be asking myself... since when does sinnoh embrace the traditions of galar?

 

[Blast]

so i would ask myself whether or not dpp remakes would really even need the dynamax mechanic to be more interesting than it is to begin with. in oras' case, i feel like mega evolution can be seen as a bit more of an organic thing that isn't exclusive to kalos, but dynamax is a traditional thing. so if sinnoh had them, i'd be asking myself... since when does sinnoh embrace the traditions of galar?

Exactly. Despite my gripes with ORAS, it makes sense that every Pokémon with a potential Mega Evolution would be able to Mega Evolve regardless of the location so long as the Trainer has a Key Stone and the Pokémon holds a Mega Stone.

On the other hand, Dynamax is achieved by harnassing the power from the power spots in the Galar region, logically tying the phenomenon to that area. Unless in the remakes Sinnoh is revealed to have the exact same kind of power spots, or maybe Mt. Coronet and Spear Pillar are going to be used to explain the ability to Dynamax. Either way, it makes no sense from the perspective of the older games. In the same vein, though I like Z-Moves it would be weird for them to appear outside of Alola since the Z-Power is supposedly a result of Ultra Necrozma shining light on Alola. Presumably Ultra Necrozma didn't go around shining its light on every single region in the Pokémon world and spread Z-Power everywhere so having Z-Moves only be available in Alola is natural. What would the explanation be if Pokémon could Dynamax in Sinnoh?

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

I think that Dynamax will destroy everything unique about Sinnoh and transform it into a complete clone of Galar.

Congratulations! You’ve tried the same argument thrice on these forums!

They would have to turn the Sinnoh League into a copy of the Galar League if they did that.

If they remake Sinnoh now, then the region will be changed into something entirely different, as all the Gyms will be converted into stadiums in order to incorporate the Dynamax mechanic. Sinnoh will go from a region focused on ancient history to a region about big, flashy battles, essentially a copy of Galar.

I would much rather want Sinnoh to get the Let's Go treatment because that way it would be more faithful to the originals and not have to be turned into a copy of Galar just to add a new mechanic. I don't think that you guys want to play through Sword & Shield again, just set in a different region.

You’re assuming a lot about games you’re arguing you don’t exist...
What’s stopping Dynamax from being more subtle like Megas in LGPE? Mega lore got retconned in ORAS, so Dynamax lore can get retconned in Diamond and Pearl remakes.
There’s an easy solution, Gyms were built specifically over Dynamax spots thanks to Rose, but no one tried to commercialise gyms in Sinnoh with Dynamax.

The difference is that Mega Evolution can be done anywhere, while Dynamaxing can only be done in specific areas such as Gyms.

That happens because Rose got the league to build gyms over Dynamax spots. No one simply got the idea to commercialise gyms with Dynamax in Sinnoh.

The problem is how intrusive it would be in the region, as it would essentially be turned into a copy of Galar, which everything being changed to accompany this. You'll kiss goodbye to unique Gym Leader designs, because they'll all wear football uniforms. And, the player too. The Elite 4 might be gone, replaced with the Champion's Cup, etc.

None of these are needed for Dynamax, at all. That’s like saying that all gyms would’ve been replaced by trials in LGPE (or a Geb 7 Sinnoh remake) since they’re a part of Gen 7 mechanics and gym systems.

It would be massive retconning and it would destroy Sinnoh's culture and themes. They wouldn't be DP remakes anymore. They would just be Sword & Shield, but set in Sinnoh instead of Galar.

As much as I don’t want Dynamaxing, this is ridiculously hyperbolic. In fact, we’ve had a discussion on how Sinnoh won’t become a copy of Galar again. Maybe try coming up with new arguments?

I don’t know why are you encouraging people to go all fearful and negative on a game which we don’t even know exists yet. I get that you hate the idea of Sinnoh remakes, so there’s really no need to sour the idea for the rest of us for a game which we're quite literally just speculating about.

I’m sorry, but this thread for discussing the remake for my first ever main series games is becoming a really sour experience because of this constant easily debunked and unnecessary negative fear mongering which crops up every time. The people who don’t like the idea of the remakes simply have the option to not do so.

I really don’t want to come off as mean or rude but it’s literally the fourth time I’ve seen "Sinnoh will turn into Galar copy" on this thread.
Not malicious, but maybe try reading the responses to your posts?

 

[colours]

What would the explanation be if Pokémon could Dynamax in Sinnoh?

i can imagine game freak would use cynthia's character to try to handwave-y explain the power spots in sinnoh. something along the lines of "oh wow, it turns out pokemon can harness the power of dynamax energy after all and it's been sleeping dormant in sinnoh for hundreds of years!" sorta thing.

 

[Leaf_Ranger]

I can see Dynamax in Sinnoh remakes just as GF did with Megas in Hoenn but that'll be the final nail in the coffin for me and I won't buy the games. At this point there's so many improvements that I want to see from GF instead of everything following the same old and "traditional" way.

 

[RileyXY1]

I can see Dynamax in Sinnoh remakes just as GF did with Megas in Hoenn but that'll be the final nail in the coffin for me and I won't buy the games. At this point there's so many improvements that I want to see from GF instead of everything follwoing the same old and "traditional" way.

Dynamax also doesn't suit Sinnoh, like at all. Sinnoh is basically the complete antithesis of Galar.

 

[Leaf_Ranger]

Dynamax also doesn't suit Sinnoh, like at all. Sinnoh is basically the complete antithesis of Galar.

Including content that is linked to other legendary PKMN and region myhts is very, very cheap. I'm still playing AS as to this day, the game felt lame with the inclusion of something odd, something that didn't improved the game, and that was Mega-evo. I seriously would like to know where's the HG/SS Director.
What's the point in....oh!, I get it now. I was going to ask what's point of taking one's memories and shove new gimminks into it and then it occurred to me that TPCi is always looking at the younger base. It's heartbreaking to know that they'll be using old material not to pay a tribute or mainly to appeal to our memories and nostalgia while telling a new story but simply to shove it to new players that might not like going backwards graphics-wise including the brand new battle gimmick.
I've fell in love with Arceus, namely after it got a little more "lore" in HG and so I would love that GF would just drop the whole paired thing, namely for remakes when there's a third better version that could serve as the base. In this case, I'd like for them to make a remake based on Arceus.