Gym Discussion/Speculation

[Phantump]

Maybe both for the first time. A gym and an E4.

You need a diverse pool of Fairies for that to work (about 10+), otherwise they either have to use many of the same Pokemon, several repeats, or random Pokemon not of their type specialty.

It wouldn't be the first time. Remember Flint?

 

[Bolt Strike]

No. Shared types are the worst.

There's 18 of them. There's no reason why a Gym Leader and Elite Four should share a type.

Even worse with Champions, who are better off not specializing in types.

Clair, Lance, Juan, Wallace, Drayden, and Iris angered me.

To be fair, repeating types were necessary in GSCHGSS because you had 21 gym leaders and Elite 4 members, there's not enough types for that.

I'm not opposed to the idea of repeating types in this situation since Fairy is new, I just think they should only do it if they have enough Fairy families that can be given to gym leaders and Elite 4 (about 8-10 families at least).

It wouldn't be the first time. Remember Flint?

I know it's not, I'm saying that situation should be avoided because it doesn't make for a very satisfying battle. Ideally every gym battle should have a unique set of Pokemon all of the same type.

An even better example of this sort of situation going wrong would be Lance/Clair. They had two Dragon type trainers back in a time where there were only 2 Dragon types in existence, so Clair's team was multiple Dragonairs and a Kingdra and Lance had half not Dragon types and half Dragonites. Remarkably poor planning if I've ever seen it.

 

[TFerro]

I think it's a possibility around the 6th gym in or so for every Gym Leader, Elite 4, and the Champion to have a Mega.
So if there's a late game Fairy specialist, they can't have a Gen. 6 Fairy Mega (GF said no gen 6 mons would).
And we only have 1 Fairy previous generation Mega right now, Mawile.

I can see Gardevoir getting one, but not Azumarill or Wigglytuff.

Seems like a shallow Fairy Mega pool to me, strongly suggesting we haven't seen the last of retyped Pokemon.
I can see a late Game Leader using a Mega Togekiss.

 

[Bayushiyojiro]

call me crazy for wanting a cue-ball esque person to have fairy types.. since the cueballs/roughnecks in the later games always seemed to have like.. cleffas... give him a tutu though... hahaha

 

[Rainbow]

I'd prefer if Fairy was either just a gym or an E4 specialist type, not both. I get its a new type, but that's overkill. Neither Steel or Dark got that kind of treatment when they were introduced (and Dark still hasn't even gotten a gym,and probably won't in favor of Fairy)

 

[Hozz101]

It wouldn't be the first time. Remember Flint?

I know it's not, I'm saying that situation should be avoided because it doesn't make for a very satisfying battle. Ideally every gym battle should have a unique set of Pokemon all of the same type.

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This is something I'm definitely going to argue against. I don't think having all gyms being one type is as much fun as it used to be. It's gotten stale even. I think having themed gyms would be a huge step in the right direction. Forest, Night, Storm, etc. could all be themes and instead of going through and destroying the whole thing with one guy, you might actually have to plan things out.

 

[Bolt Strike]

This is something I'm definitely going to argue against. I don't think having all gyms being one type is as much fun as it used to be. It's gotten stale even. I think having themed gyms would be a huge step in the right direction. Forest, Night, Storm, etc. could all be themes and instead of going through and destroying the whole thing with one guy, you might actually have to plan things out.

I don't mind them branching out a little actually, such as Aaron having a Drapion or Lance having Charizard or Gyarados, but they should stick to their theme as much as possible. Flint was going too far, as none of his non-Fire types were closely related to Fire.

As for the themed gyms, I wouldn't mind it but I don't think it's going to happen, they'd probably consider it too unpredictable and challenging. At the very least, I think they should make teams that are harder to sweep by including dual types that can counter their weaknesses (for instance, a Water type gym leader using Water/Ground, Water/Flying, and Water/Ice types).

 

[Akromatic]

Maybe they could make another smaller league (maybe 4 gyms) based on themes. They could be similar to the Battle Frontier.

 

[DoctorWhy]

I'd love some kind of post-game battle frontier, but they usually reserve that for 3rd versions/sequels...

 

[venusboi79]

I have no problem with gyms having specific typing. As more and more dual-types become available, movesets become more complex, and factoring in abilities, it's not that difficult to create a challenge. There's a reason that things like Subway Battles, Frontiers, etc. exist; they add an extra challenge for people who want to take the gameplay to the next level.

I play Pokemon because it is simplistic (for the most part). I have no desire to see it become "hardcore" or begin exclusively catering to the metagame fringe.

 

[Blockhead Pippi]

I don't mind them branching out a little actually, such as Aaron having a Drapion or Lance having Charizard or Gyarados, but they should stick to their theme as much as possible. Flint was going too far, as none of his non-Fire types were closely related to Fire.

In Flint's defense, there were hardly any Fire Pokemon in Sinnoh, especially in DP, and I think limiting him to just two Pokemon would have made his battle too easy. Also Drapion is based on a scorpion, and Charizard and Gyarados are obviously dragons in their own right. They share Aaron's and Lance's theme, just not with the typing.

 

[faucin]

i like that idea of themed gyms, not limited by types. a storm themed gym leader would most likely use a drizzle politoed. it is unlikely they implement this in the story but maybe in some post league context could be possible

 

[Bolt Strike]

In Flint's defense, there were hardly any Fire Pokemon in Sinnoh, especially in DP, and I think limiting him to just two Pokemon would have made his battle too easy.

Again, it goes back to poor planning. They shouldn't have just two Fire types in a Pokedex, and they shouldn't create a Fire type Elite 4 member when there are too few Fire types to give him a decent team. They need to be smarter about what types they choose and how they design the teams.

 

[Hozz101]

In Flint's defense, there were hardly any Fire Pokemon in Sinnoh, especially in DP, and I think limiting him to just two Pokemon would have made his battle too easy.

Again, it goes back to poor planning. They shouldn't have just two Fire types in a Pokedex, and they shouldn't create a Fire type Elite 4 member when there are too few Fire types to give him a decent team. They need to be smarter about what types they choose and how they design the teams.

This I completely agree with. Don't mislead players with your Gym/E4 "All 1 type" style and then have... whatever that was.

 

[Bayushiyojiro]

but drifblim is a hot air balloon.. run by.. fire.. and umm lopunny is.. ummm hot? yes, thats it *resist urge to check for the absurd amounts of rule 34 for lopunny*

 

[Blockhead Pippi]

In Flint's defense, there were hardly any Fire Pokemon in Sinnoh, especially in DP, and I think limiting him to just two Pokemon would have made his battle too easy.

Again, it goes back to poor planning. They shouldn't have just two Fire types in a Pokedex, and they shouldn't create a Fire type Elite 4 member when there are too few Fire types to give him a decent team. They need to be smarter about what types they choose and how they design the teams.

I didn't say that it didn't need improving. Flint was still disappointing, and that they should have at least given more thought in fire type availability pre-post game.

 

[Bolt Strike]

but drifblim is a hot air balloon.. run by.. fire.. and umm lopunny is.. ummm hot? yes, thats it *resist urge to check for the absurd amounts of rule 34 for lopunny*

You forgot Steelix.

Anyway, I'd argue these aren't strong enough correlations to Fire. None of them can really learn Fire attacks by level up and in fact they can't learn any at all besides the ones that nearly every Pokemon can learn (and Drifblim doesn't even learn an attacking Fire type move), and only Drifblim is even remotely related to the element in its design and attributes (and not as strong as stuff like Drapion, Charizard, and Gyarados).

 

[Bayushiyojiro]

i was being facetious. i boggled when i saw flint's team. so many options by gen 4 and they do ... THAT *shudder* at least they fixed him for platinum

 

[Bolt Strike]

i was being facetious. i boggled when i saw flint's team. so many options by gen 4 and they do ... THAT *shudder* at least they fixed him for platinum

There was really nothing that could be done to salvage Flint's team with DP's Pokedex, that's why I said they should've either had more Fire types in the Sinnoh Dex in the first place or simply not created a Fire specialist in that game.

 

[Bayushiyojiro]

thats true. though it was nice to see someone using rapidash <3 poor poor undervalued but really pretty pokemon