Mafia Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: END GAME! TOWN WINS 21/06/14

[Mijzelffan]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

@Mijzelffan ;

You viewed the pages, I saw it, any thoughts on Oswin or responses to Midorikawa?

Are we doing this again?

But my opinion is that Oswin is no more suspicious than any other player and that he's only being targeted to take heat off midorikawa. I am starting to suspect Mido more and more with people like FinalArcadia and Zexy chiming in to her rescue giving us heartfelt appeals to our emotions and painting Oswin as a bad guy while they did exactly the same thing. Frankly I think at the moment Midorikawa's allignment upon death will teach us a lot more than Oswin's.

UNVOTE: GastlyGibus
VOTE: Oswin

Voting me for joke voting, yet many others did it as well. Thus really considering I have other votes on me its just looking for an easy lynch at this point. The fact that he chose me out of everyone isn't explained because I wasn't the only one joke voting. Thus he again has given no comments on matters that actually matter, and has no real reason for his vote.

At the time of his vote you were the only one who had a jokevote. How was he looking for an easy lynch, if anything zima or me were the ones looking for an easy lynch. I think at the moment you're just looking for an easy lynch by voting Oswin, who really hasn't done anything different from me, zima or yourself.


Is really no one else seeing how flawed mido's logic is? I have the feeling I'm not the only one who sees this but that others are just afraid to speak up.

 

[Midorikawa]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

@Mijzelffan; It's not the fact really that he voted me, its the reason he is keeping his vote.

 

[Oswin]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

UNVOTE: GastlyGibus
VOTE: Oswin

Voting me for joke voting, yet many others did it as well. Thus really considering I have other votes on me its just looking for an easy lynch at this point. The fact that he chose me out of everyone isn't explained because I wasn't the only one joke voting. Thus he again has given no comments on matters that actually matter, and has no real reason for his vote.

Oswin however voted me on a joke vote and then call his vote justified.I want to know how that is justified,heck he hasn't even commented on anything at hand, except to say that Zima should be considered more suspicious than him.

My vote is justified because I hate joke posts, that's what I was getting at. I said Zima was suspicious because she also voted for you. (which was apparently to add pressure)

Also no reason to keep the vote, considering Zima, Shiny Ditto, and Marius joke voted as well. Any reason to keep the vote on Mido now, instead of the person you find more suspicious?

I've already explained why I think my vote is justified, and as for taking my vote off, is there really any point? All I've done is helped start a discussion. If the phase was going to be ending soon then yes I would take my vote off, but it doesn't end until tomorrow and it's creating reads on people.

UNVOTE: GastlyGibus
VOTE: Oswin

Midori's point about him does make him suspicious (the most suspicious thus far, and he hasn't added much), and I'd rather move my vote to him than keep my joke one on GastlyGibus. Plus, Midori's a known strong town player, so if she's actually town this game and Oswin is mafia, that could be an ulterior motive at work in his vote.

What... so because Midori is a good town player sometimes then she's obviously town now? That's flawed logic and a stupid reason to vote someone.

To those of you that are waiting for Oswin's reply, did you notice him lurking earlier because I did. Out of the lurkers I saw, him and Mijz are the only two that have yet to respond. The other lurkers I saw were Shiny Ditto who has posted since then and FA.

Uh yeah that doesn't mean anything, all it's doing is make you seem overly anxious to incriminate me. Yes I was probably looking at the thread and "lurking". Does that make me scum? No.

 

[Midorikawa]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

@Oswin; Never said it does. Actually I was just curious on others thoughts since they are so curious about lurkers. If I really wanted to incriminate you then I would have pointed it out earlier, but I didn't until people started conversing about lurkers. Oh and still waiting on a proper justification to that vote outside of hating joke voting because others did that too so are you going to vote them too?

 

[Oswin]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

I don't know how else I can say that my vote was just a vote, I'd voted before anyone else had voted for you so it's not like I was hopping on a bandwagon, and also joke voting is a lot better than lurking amirite

 

[Midorikawa]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

I don't know how else I can say that my vote was just a vote, I'd voted before anyone else had voted for you so it's not like I was hopping on a bandwagon, and also joke voting is a lot better than lurking amirite

Says he hates joke voting, yet admits to joke voting. Blatant contradiction.

 

[Flaze]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

Can I be a sub for this?

 

[Oswin]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

I don't know how else I can say that my vote was just a vote, I'd voted before anyone else had voted for you so it's not like I was hopping on a bandwagon, and also joke voting is a lot better than lurking amirite

Says he hates joke voting, yet admits to joke voting. Blatant contradiction.

Seriously why are you so fixated on me? Not to be rude, really, but there are other players and right now it seems like you're doing anything you can to make me look scummy.

Also nowhere in that post you quoted (or in this whole game) did I admit that my vote was a joke vote :l

 

[Midorikawa]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

@Oswin; I bolded the point part where you admitted to it. And I'm on your case because you strike me as most suspicious and have literally shown nothing to me to believe you as town.

 

[Oswin]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

@Oswin; I bolded the point part where you admitted to it. And I'm on your case because you strike me as most suspicious and have literally shown nothing to me to believe you as town.

That isn't me admitting to it, that's me saying activity is better than no activity.

Well it's pretty hard to show myself as town on day one, don't you agree? All I have done is voted for someone and then tried my best to justify it. If anything the fact that you're adamant to make me look scummy is just making you look less town, in my eyes.

 

[Beck]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

Are we doing this again?

But my opinion is that Oswin is no more suspicious than any other player and that he's only being targeted to take heat off midorikawa. I am starting to suspect Mido more and more with people like FinalArcadia and Zexy chiming in to her rescue giving us heartfelt appeals to our emotions and painting Oswin as a bad guy while they did exactly the same thing. Frankly I think at the moment Midorikawa's allignment upon death will teach us a lot more than Oswin's.

UNVOTE: GastlyGibus
VOTE: Oswin

Voting me for joke voting, yet many others did it as well. Thus really considering I have other votes on me its just looking for an easy lynch at this point. The fact that he chose me out of everyone isn't explained because I wasn't the only one joke voting. Thus he again has given no comments on matters that actually matter, and has no real reason for his vote.

At the time of his vote you were the only one who had a jokevote. How was he looking for an easy lynch, if anything zima or me were the ones looking for an easy lynch. I think at the moment you're just looking for an easy lynch by voting Oswin, who really hasn't done anything different from me, zima or yourself.

Is really no one else seeing how flawed Mido's logic is? I have the feeling I'm not the only one who sees this but that others are just afraid to speak up.

I'll stick my head into the fray now to say that I agree with you, Mij. I think it's pretty bold of Oswin to stick with his vote against you, Mido, despite him being attacked for it. That, to me, says a lot more than those who voted for you, then changed their vote to avoid the same heat ( @Zima;, yes, you).

@Zexy; I never voted acs. I don't like voting people who tend to be inactive. I have experience with acs outside of mafias, that's why. And timezones mean nothing to me because I see people in completely different timezones that are really active, yet I have never seen activity from him. And if I had to choose one I'm going to say @Oswin; Zima just seems like she's keep her vote for pressure and faulty logic at this point, and Mijz is just bad logic too. Oswin however voted me on a joke vote and then call his vote justified.I want to know how that is justified,heck he hasn't even commented on anything at hand, except to say that Zima should be considered more suspicious than him.

Also, you can't dispel two valid votes against you to "faulty logic." Their logic is more sound than Oswin's, yet you continually insist that Oswin's vote makes sense, so you can pursue it. Really? I don't understand how his vote, the second vote of the game, holds any real weight in this discussion? You really believe that that vote deserves more attention than Zima's or Mij's? Or can you just not defend yourself against their reasons for voting you, so you pick the lesser of two evils? I think your argument is a total cop-out and now that you've finally redirected the fire, you won't let up. Yet Oswin really hasn't done anything further that's at all suspicious.

I agree with Mij completely. Lynching Mido would yield more than voting Oswin, at this point.

Until I have reason to change my mind, I'll Vote: Midorikawa.

 

[Mijzelffan]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

While Oswin is not winning himself any points with that defense, I would like to point out Midorikawa's defense to the allegations against her is basically "wow guys look at what Oswin is doing over here let's all look at that instead of me."

 

[GastlyGibus]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

Vote: Midorikawa

I hate joke votes when I don't make them >:c

Places a joke vote.

And why is that, I feel my vote was justified. If anything, Zima voting Midorikawa after me is more suspect.

Says his vote is justified, even though nothing was said to justify it.

My vote is justified because I hate joke posts, that's what I was getting at. I said Zima was suspicious because she also voted for you. (which was apparently to add pressure)

Says he hates joke posts, yet squares in on Midori in particular even though pretty much everybody else made a joke vote.

I've already explained why I think my vote is justified,

No explanation was given.

I don't know how else I can say that my vote was just a vote, I'd voted before anyone else had voted for you so it's not like I was hopping on a bandwagon, and also joke voting is a lot better than lurking amirite

And then this part just confuses me. He says in his previous posts he hates joke voting... but he basically admits it was a joke vote?

The fact that Midori already explained her reasoning for her vote on me, yet Oswin still pursues her for no stated reason (yet keeps claiming his vote was "justified") is what has me suspicious. Midori placed the vote on me as a precaution. I do that too sometimes, since my work schedule sometimes prevents me from checking the thread and making posts before phase updates.

The vigilant pursuance of Midori is making me uneasy, in addition to his lack of explanation for his vote.

Vote: Oswin

 

[Oswin]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

I get my lack of justification, I'll look back in the thread for where I justified it in a sec, but what are you on about "The vigilant pursuance of Midori is making me uneasy"

Uh it's the other way around :l

 

[CrackFox]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

Can I be a sub for this?

Certainly! I'll add you to the list of subs.

 

[GastlyGibus]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

but what are you on about "The vigilant pursuance of Midori is making me uneasy"

Uh it's the other way around :l

Because unlike Midori, you haven't provided a valid reason for keeping your vote on her. If you can do that, then I'll change my vote. But right now, you keep saying your vote was "justified" even though you never explained why, you keep contradicting yourself in regards to your stance on joke voting, claiming your first vote was a joke, then it wasn't, and now it is again (which is it?) and now pretty much keeping your vote as an OMGUS.

 

[CrackFox]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

More than half the phase over, here's how the votes currently stand.

Midorikawa IIII (Oswin, Zima, Mijzelffan, Beck)
Oswin III (Midorikawa, FinalArcadia, GastlyGibus)

 

[FinalArcadia]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

UNVOTE: GastlyGibus
VOTE: Oswin

Midori's point about him does make him suspicious (the most suspicious thus far, and he hasn't added much), and I'd rather move my vote to him than keep my joke one on GastlyGibus. Plus, Midori's a known strong town player, so if she's actually town this game and Oswin is mafia, that could be an ulterior motive at work in his vote.

What... so because Midori is a good town player sometimes then she's obviously town now? That's flawed logic and a stupid reason to vote someone.

Except I never said she was obviously town?

I said that "if she's actually town" in this game, then I think that her being a strong player could be why you voted her. At no point have I held it as some fact that she is most certainly town, and there is not enough at this point to make slight town vibes I'm getting from her be absolute. But I have not gotten the scum vibes from her that I am getting from you, and if you are mafia, I was pointing out a possible motive.

Also, that was a theory, it wasn't the whole reason to my vote by any means. I agreed with what Midori had put forth, and aside from that all of your recent posts have seemed more suspicious than town-like to me which is why I'm keeping my vote.

 

[sharkshocker]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

I've already explained why I think my vote is justified, and as for taking my vote off, is there really any point? All I've done is helped start a discussion. If the phase was going to be ending soon then yes I would take my vote off, but it doesn't end until tomorrow and it's creating reads on people.

This discussion has gone past getting reads and is most likely leading to a lynch. It feels like you're trying to distance yourself from how the day will play out by saying that you can take your vote off at any time under the pretense of "creating reads on people".

But my opinion is that Oswin is no more suspicious than any other player and that he's only being targeted to take heat off midorikawa. I am starting to suspect Mido more and more with people like FinalArcadia and Zexy chiming in to her rescue giving us heartfelt appeals to our emotions and painting Oswin as a bad guy while they did exactly the same thing. Frankly I think at the moment Midorikawa's allignment upon death will teach us a lot more than Oswin's.

If Midorikawa is indeed mafia it'd be poor play from her teammates to jump to her defense given how much suspicion is on her. This actually gives off a town tell to Midori but more of a mafia tell from FinalArcadia and Zexy.

UNVOTE: GastlyGibus
VOTE: Oswin

Voting me for joke voting, yet many others did it as well. Thus really considering I have other votes on me its just looking for an easy lynch at this point. The fact that he chose me out of everyone isn't explained because I wasn't the only one joke voting. Thus he again has given no comments on matters that actually matter, and has no real reason for his vote.

At the time of his vote you were the only one who had a jokevote. How was he looking for an easy lynch, if anything zima or me were the ones looking for an easy lynch. I think at the moment you're just looking for an easy lynch by voting Oswin, who really hasn't done anything different from me, zima or yourself.

Is really no one else seeing how flawed mido's logic is? I have the feeling I'm not the only one who sees this but that others are just afraid to speak up.

You're alienating people with your statement here, as if we either understand what you mean and should vote with you or we don't and are missing the point.
FoS Mijzelffan

While Oswin is not winning himself any points with that defense, I would like to point out Midorikawa's defense to the allegations against her is basically "wow guys look at what Oswin is doing over here let's all look at that instead of me."

I agree, while it's true that the day is past the halfway point there it still a good amount of time to get proper talk going.

 

[Beck]

Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Mafia: Day 1: New Leaf 29/05/14

I've never understood a bolded finger of suspicion. Why bother? It holds no ground and is totally passive-aggressive.