Mafia All-Stars Mafia - Endgame - Homeward Bound - 7/21

[CrackFox]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

@GastlyGibus;

You seemed to have completely misread my actions. Firstly, I definitely think that scum are threatened by certain players based on their known capabilities when it comes to things like being known to form alliances, good scumhunters and generally decent activity levels. If you aren't taking those things into consideration then you are not playing very well as mafia. It's important to pick your battles wisely. Flaze suggested that this wasn't a factor and I disagree, it absolutely is. Me mentioning that the mafia probably want Mijz killed (if Mijz is town, I don't know that he is, this is theory) isn't speculation, it's likely a fact.

Secondly, Phoenicks didn't vote Mijzelffan to start discussion, if it was discussion he wanted he could have jumped on one of the other votes that had been placed before mine and formed a bandwagon on someone else. I think it could have been a strategic choice, i'm not saying it makes him scum, it's a theory and it's not that odd. After all there is a reason why some players don't make it passed N1 often, it's because they are taken out to eliminate the threat they pose......

Also, there's also something very off with HumanDawn and if Phoenick's flips mafia, I expect him to do so as well...so there's also an element of a two for one deal if Phoenicks is lynched.

As far as i'm concerned, ordinarily, Human would be asking Phoenicks some probing questions before deciding that there was nothing untoward about his actions. At the very least there would be some reluctance towards him. That's what I would expect anyway.

 

[Phoenicks]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

Secondly, Phoenicks didn't vote Mijzelffan to start discussion, if it was discussion he wanted he could have jumped on one of the other votes that had been placed before mine and formed a bandwagon on someone else. I think it could have been a strategic choice, i'm not saying it makes him scum, it's a theory and it's not that odd. After all there is a reason why some players don't make it passed N1 often, it's because they are taken out to eliminate the threat they pose......

I could have also voted for Zexy or HumanDawn, who are good, consistent, active players. Both each had joke votes on them. I voted for the last vote posted because it was the easiest at hand.

If you're going to argue that all the votes are interchangeable, I find it weird that you're also going to argue I'm suspicious for picking the one I did.

As far as i'm concerned, ordinarily, Human would be asking Phoenicks some probing questions before deciding that there was nothing untoward about his actions. At the very least there would be some reluctance towards him. That's what I would expect anyway.

I won't speak for Human, but are there any questions to ask of my behavior that haven't been asked?

 

[Midorikawa]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

UNVOTE: Leggo while I find it odd that it is one time use, I'm willing to give it a chance.
@CrackFox; And what if Human or Phoenixes flips town?
@GastlyGibus; I have to say I actually disagree with you slightly, for once. When I'm mafia I look to take out the more active scumhunters like Human and you first rather than players like Glaze.

 

[Soulmaster]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

I said Monday, GM, geez.

I am back from my trip. My role, I confirm.

Will read up on the thread tomorrow.

 

[HumanDawn]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

@Leggo; Why would it be a waste to use it on that sentence?

If that doesn't please you, how about "I am a Town member who genuinely thinks seriously lynching Phoenicks for reasons stated is a bad idea."

You seemed to have completely misread my actions. Firstly, I definitely think that scum are threatened by certain players based on their known capabilities when it comes to things like being known to form alliances, good scumhunters and generally decent activity levels. If you aren't taking those things into consideration then you are not playing very well as mafia. It's important to pick your battles wisely. Flaze suggested that this wasn't a factor and I disagree, it absolutely is. Me mentioning that the mafia probably want Mijz killed (if Mijz is town, I don't know that he is, this is theory) isn't speculation, it's likely a fact.

I completely agree, and I do believe that this is really her philosophy. I don't think think this is any reason to vote Crackfox for this, we all have our philosophies.(and ahem gastlygibus in case you say anything i never voted you for not liking pressure voting)

Secondly, Phoenicks didn't vote Mijzelffan to start discussion, if it was discussion he wanted he could have jumped on one of the other votes that had been placed before mine and formed a bandwagon on someone else. I think it could have been a strategic choice, i'm not saying it makes him scum, it's a theory and it's not that odd. After all there is a reason why some players don't make it passed N1 often, it's because they are taken out to eliminate the threat they pose......

I've asked Mijzelffan this, and I'll ask you, what makes Mijzelffan have any more special reason to not be voted? As far as I'm concerned, me, Zexy and Mijzelffan are all three active players, so due to our activity we all could be threatening. Honestly voting Mijzelffan would have been best to start discussion with how vocal and loud he is in games, so I tagged on with a third vote to help. If I unvoted and voted somebody else there would be a tie and that doesn't lead to making things interesting. I don't know how you got the impression that it wasn't to generate discussion, of course he didn't explicitly state it, but it was really obvious and I can bring up a game in mind where you voted somebody to be the second vote for the sake of creating discussion. You were Mafia in it but you were still doing the right thing.

Also, there's also something very off with HumanDawn and if Phoenick's flips mafia, I expect him to do so as well...so there's also an element of a two for one deal if Phoenicks is lynched.

I am going to defend anyone like a Behemoth if the case on them is terrible and is enforced when it should have already stopped. I've already established that it's part of my play, but I will admit it doesn't excuse the suspicion that comes with it in this case with how I have defended Phoenicks even though I do think it's logical. The only element of a two for one deal I can see there is if Phoenicks flips Town the Mafia can try Nightkilling me and get rid of two good active players in just the first two phases. I've already been talking privately with Phoenicks on Skype, in which he approached me, and we've been talking about the game. I could copy paste any parts of the conversation to have some proof that we're not allied, of course it would not prove prove we're not allied but it exists. In this game again that I'd be willing to destroy any shit enforced case I see when I'm sure the Mafia would definitely have a harder time mislynching players with me around.

As far as i'm concerned, ordinarily, Human would be asking Phoenicks some probing questions before deciding that there was nothing untoward about his actions. At the very least there would be some reluctance towards him. That's what I would expect anyway.

What probing questions? It was incredibly obvious for me what Phoenicks was doing, it may not have been obvious to you but it was obvious for me, and I know his stance on trying to get lynches in Day 1 through from what he said on an ongoing game, so I didn't have anything ask because of how he has made it crystal clear already and any questions would have just been a bother, I understand the feeling of having to repeat how pro lynching is good and how statistics indicate that games with No lynches or ones that hardly give anything(like the ridiculous lynch on the Independent in DD Mafia) are bad and lead the Mafia to victory more.

 

[GastlyGibus]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

GastlyGibus; I have to say I actually disagree with you slightly, for once. When I'm mafia I look to take out the more active scumhunters like Human and you first rather than players like Glaze.

I'm hurt. I really am. ;(

Nah, just kidding. I agree with you, however, I'm having a very hard time seeing how Phoenick's vote could have been any kind of serious threat against anybody. He voted him for no reason to gauge a reaction. HumanDawn even joined in, yet nobody is jumping on him.

It was a single vote placed on day 1 with no reasoning at all, and yet everybody thought that Phoenicks was some kind of mafia scumlord trying to get in a lynch against an experienced player. As HumanDawn has pointed out numerous times, voting somebody =/= lynching them, as much as I disagree with that philosophy. Votes can be changed, and we still had plenty of time for deliberation. I highly doubt any kind of serious bandwagon with the intent to lynch could have been formed with such a poor basis. The intent wasn't to lynch, but everybody was pretending it was.

You seemed to have completely misread my actions. Firstly, I definitely think that scum are threatened by certain players based on their known capabilities when it comes to things like being known to form alliances, good scumhunters and generally decent activity levels. If you aren't taking those things into consideration then you are not playing very well as mafia. It's important to pick your battles wisely. Flaze suggested that this wasn't a factor and I disagree, it absolutely is. Me mentioning that the mafia probably want Mijz killed (if Mijz is town, I don't know that he is, this is theory) isn't speculation, it's likely a fact.

Again, I agree with you. But as I mentioned, you were defending Mijz for the sole reason of him being an experienced player. You weren't defending his points, or his actions, you just said "Mijz is experienced, we shouldn't lynch them."

Unvote: Mijzelffan

I don't want him lynched. Sure we can randomly vote for someone to avoid a NL but there's no need to rush into that kinda thing and if we are gonna eliminate a player radomly for the sake of it, let's not take out one of the best players so nonchalantly. Due to the fact that me and Mijz are friends we often joke vote eachother but when it comes down to it, he's a good player and I would never want to see him lynched without a semi-decent reason.

Vote: Phoenicks

Subject to change but right now but right now, I'm finding his attitude very slapdash.

Then you switched your vote to Phoenicks. Why? For stirring a discussion? Do you truly, honestly think that any kind of serious bandwagon could have arisen from such a post, enough to threaten anybody, let alone Mijz? If I just voted somebody randomly during the first day phase, if I don't build a significant case against them, do you truly think it's with the intent to lynch?

You also mentioned your vote was subject to change, and even though we've discussed this matter back and forth quite a bit, you haven't changed your vote. Leggo keeping their vote is a bit suspicious, and likewise, Mijz keeping his vote is also unnerving to me.

Secondly, Phoenicks didn't vote Mijzelffan to start discussion, if it was discussion he wanted he could have jumped on one of the other votes that had been placed before mine and formed a bandwagon on someone else. I think it could have been a strategic choice, i'm not saying it makes him scum, it's a theory and it's not that odd. After all there is a reason why some players don't make it passed N1 often, it's because they are taken out to eliminate the threat they pose......

The fact that he could have chosen any other player is irrelevant. What difference does it make whom was chosen? Why does choosing Mijz suddenly disqualify voting for discussion purposes? The way I'm understanding this, you're saying "Phoenicks can vote for anybody to start discussion, except Mijz. That's scummy." What makes Mijz any more special than anybody else? In fact, I think targeting more experienced players for discussion would be better than other players, since they would be able to provide better, more logical responses and we could deduce more.

Again, you're defending Mijz purely because of his experience. That doesn't excuse his actions.

So, @Leggo, CrackFox, I'd like to ask why you are keeping your votes on Phoenicks, because as of right now, I see no good reason at all to lynch him.

 

[HumanDawn]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

I'm gonna ask some questions for the sake of some variety to have different voices.

Spoiler

@Midorikawa; What do you think of Phoenicks and me? I'm asking you because you haven't said what you think of either of us and I'm interested in what you think the most.

@Zexy; If you would question anyone who would you question? Is there anyone in particular who you wonder what thinks of the others?

@Yato; What do you think of Mijzelffan? Do you trust Leggo's claim?

@Momoka; Who would you have voted while Phoenicks Vs Mijzelffan was happening and who do you think is most worthy of a vote now?(and by this I mean not who'd you'd vote but who'd you'd likely vote the most)

@Tychiel; Do you think we should No Lynch and settle nothing or try getting more people speak up? What do you think of the vote on Crackfox?

@Leggo; Would you tell us who you would use your lie detection on or do you think it's a bad idea in case somebody is telling the truth about being Town and that would make them a likely Mafia target? Would you contact them privately if they are saying the truth about being allied with the Town?

@Prince Vultan; You came and voted No Lynch, do you still think that will all this discussion nothing is better to be settled?

@MarioMiner; Who would you vote now? Who would you trust?

@Beck; Which player/s are the most interesting to you in your eye?

@UltimateMaximus; What do you think is the best course of action this phase? Any suspicions? Anyone you think looks Town?

@Peeko; Even if you quickly voted No Lynch you are not excused to not say anything about what you think of others and not participate for the rest of the phase. It's sometimes seen as scummy to vote No Lynch because you play safe by doing so and potentially not alarm anyone in the process. Do you think anyone is worthy of a vote now? What are your plans for Day 2?

@Rabbit; What is the most interesting looking thing to you that has happened so far?

@Soulmaster; Would you promise to always post when something catches your eye and you think is worth saying?

@FinalArcadia; Not sure if I'll get anything from here considering you haven't confirmed yet but who do you think is the most suspicious and town like?

@Masamune; Despite being a new player I think you should be able to answer this. While reading the thread was there anything that caught your eye? What do you plan on doing for Day 2? How is Day 2 any different than Day 1 in your eyes? Do you have any questions regarding how the game goes?

@sharkshocker; What do you think should be done this phase? What player/s looks the strangest to you? Who's your biggest Town read?

@Solayoh; What do you think should be done, and is there anyone you plan on voting?

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I don't expect everyone to answer this but it would be very helpful if you're Town and help the game. You could say more and think of something more to say from questions I've asked others too.

 

[Zexy]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

Sorry for not showing up earlier, I am kinda busy these days. Looks like lots of things happened so I have to catch up…
I am actually writing quite the big post that you will all see soon. I will be ready to answer to your thing when I have read anything, but do not worry, I am questioning lots of things in that post of mine anyway.

 

[Solayoh]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

@Solayoh; What do you think should be done, and is there anyone you plan on voting?

I don't expect everyone to answer this but it would be very helpful if you're Town and help the game. You could say more and think of something more to say from questions I've asked others too.

I don't know where to begin. I went to bed last night we were on Page 6 we're now on Page 10 soon to be 11. There are so many loud voices in here it's really hard to follow as everyones just arguing with each other, I'm going to wait for it to slow down a bit.

The only thing I've learnt from this is that Phoenicks and Mijzelfan don't like each other very much. It'd be wrong for me to vote when I have no idea what's going on.

 

[CrackFox]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

Firstly to answer Midorikawa, if Phoenicks flips town then yeah, I will be inclined to believe that Human is town as he's making a good case on his behalf.

I'd rather Phoenicks was lynched than a no lynch situation. At least we'd learn something from it. That's how I feel about lynching on D1 in general so whether it was Phoenicks or someone else I wasn't sure about, i'd rather the lynch. I've spoken with Mijz privately and I trust him a lot more now. I can usually tell when he's hiding something in our private chats and I don't get the feeling he is this time. I don't have any issues with Leggo's behavior and I believe the lie detector claim. Right now it's between Phoenicks and a no lynch situation. No lynches are annoying so i'd rather push for Phoenicks. At this point i'd also be willing to take a risk on voting GastlyGibus or Flaze instead but a vote on them wouldn't make a difference to anything.

 

[Zexy]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

Oh, looks like the thread got a burst of activity!

I actually forgot to
UNVOTE: Pokemaster97
This joke vote stayed around too long, sorry.

 

[Peeko]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

@HumanDawn; No one's worthy of being voted on day 1, it could lead to us losing the cop or the doc. Day 2 will come when we get there.

 

[HumanDawn]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

@HumanDawn; No one's worthy of being voted on day 1, it could lead to us losing the cop or the doc. Day 2 will come when we get there.

They will be worthy depending on how the phase goes and so on. Okay then how is Day 2 any different then? How will it be less likely we hit the Doctor and Cop? Shouldn't it be more mathematically likely we hit either roles with less players if the Mafia ends up killing somebody?

 

[GastlyGibus]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

I'd rather Phoenicks was lynched than a no lynch situation. At least we'd learn something from it. That's how I feel about lynching on D1 in general so whether it was Phoenicks or someone else I wasn't sure about, i'd rather the lynch. I've spoken with Mijz privately and I trust him a lot more now. I can usually tell when he's hiding something in our private chats and I don't get the feeling he is this time. I don't have any issues with Leggo's behavior and I believe the lie detector claim. Right now it's between Phoenicks and a no lynch situation. No lynches are annoying so i'd rather push for Phoenicks. At this point i'd also be willing to take a risk on voting GastlyGibus or Flaze instead but a vote on them wouldn't make a difference to anything.

That doesn't help at all. Two scum-buddies could very easily say "oh yeah we've been talking privately and I trust them to be town!" Right now, both of your alignments are a mystery, so saying you trust somebody because of private messages is pointless because I have no reason to believe either of you. I could very easily say "Pheonicks and I have been talking privately, and from his messages, I think he's town," and it wouldn't make any difference whatsoever. For all you know, we could both be mafia, and there would be no way to tell.

Right now, I'm defending Phoenicks solely because I believe his actions are logical. I haven't seen him do anything that I would consider scummy as of yet, but I cannot say whether or not he is mafia. If he is, and I'm defending him unwittingly, then I have no way of knowing that at this moment. All I can say is his reasoning makes sense to me, and I do not believe that the current accusations against him are valid.

I understand the desire for information, and honestly, I agree with you that a no lynch will get us nowhere. However, I cannot condone, at this point in time, a lynch against Phoenicks.

 

[Zexy]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

Not only have I to catch up, Internet connection's messing up with me too.

Well, here are my reads as of now, I have to catch up to just a bit more and decide on votes etc.
Better post this thing, unfinished, because I may not be able to later.

Spoiler

CrackFox: Be careful with your jokevotes on Mijz please, the very same thing happened in Collapse To serious business, I found most of your posts very okay, and while Gibus has a point, I could see some more sense in Mijz’s earlier posts.

Flaze: While I agreed with your first posts in which you were questioning people and scumhunting well, that sudden turn to the meta talk and sticking this much to it I don’t really agree with.

GastlyGibus: Well, that post started off quite nice While I don’t exactly agree on CrackFox’s case, since I could too see some sense in Mijz’s early posting, I don’t discredit your theory because if Mijz is scum then CF could have been a buddy working it around very well. Suspecting Leggo sounds fine, although you could vote her, but it is true that she has lots of votes already and you wanted to point someone else’s behavior instead. I am conflicted on Leggo myself.

HumanDawn: I feel like you were a bit fast to push the lynch on Mijz, and you also stuck to that for a while. Instead of big posts that don’t make sense, you made small ones that let him keep his vote for a while regardless. It’s not your typical behavior, yet it was all you did for quite the while.
And then, poof, classic HumanDawn becomes active again. Does Mijzelffan VS Pheonicks have to happen every summer? Why. I have to agree, what they do is a bit pointless. LOL, you will make me ship these two now! I feel that Pheonicks was the “immature” one in the beginning and Mijz the “mature” but it kind of switched along the way? Nevertheless, I doubt we should really care exrtremely much about that kind of thing. Just LOL, that post needs a medal, Mijz tsundere and all. Yet you were quick to vote Leggo again, oh well, you are quick to do things in this game, amirite?

Leggo: You rushed to vote for Phoenicks, saying that you don’t like bandwagons. Yet what you did was pretty much another bandwagon, so it stands out as hypocritical. Midorikawa voted Phoenicks as well but she did it earlier, in an attempt to stop the first bandwagon, not start a second. Your vote really felt rushed, as Pokemaster97 explained. Plus, what was that kind of attitude you displayed after the votes started stacking up on you? It is kind-of sarcastic, it feels like you give up and it doesn’t help your defense in the slightest.

Masamune: Being a new player, I understand why you went for a No Lynch just like that, although it is not the kind of common thing to see.

Midorikawa: Your vote on Pheonicks early on I found okay, unlike Leggo’s. Later on, you pursue Leggo under good logic, I really have no reason to think you are mafia for now. It might be that you overfocused a bit on the No Lynches, though, which makes us lose the point of Day 1 at times, but it looked like an act of good intent.

Mijzelffan: You defense against Phoenicks made sense in the beginning, and you didn’t do anything wrong despite getting that bandwagon on you there. While you are right that Leggo is new, some of her behavior bugged me, and I can see why people are voting for her. After a while, though, I felt like you were overfocusing on certain aspects of the game. HumanDawn put it well, and of course your reply reminded me of that “appeal to emotion” thing you were always taking about in Animal Crossing. As much as Human has not explained why Pheonicks is not mafia, I don’t think you have adequately explained why he is mafia in my opinion.

Peeko: I don’t get why you refer to Paper Mario, when you talk to Midorikawa of all people and that game’s Day 1 did not end in a No Lynch. Just after that, you also do No Lynch, which is somewhat questionable since we have 3 votes on it now and you avoided discussing everything else, like Pheonicks’ or Leggo’s actions. I would expect you to be somewhat more careful with such things after *cough*Paper Mario*cough*

Phoenicks: Your first actions in-thread look like your typical yet strange Day 1 behaviour, nothing bad there. When Mijz logically questions you, though, you reply with a huge wallpost that doesn’t make much sense and keep not making much sense afterwards. Mijz interestingly said that your scumtell is wallposts, and you just made one in which he did completely avoid replying to that point. Later on, you went for Leggo which is understandable, especially since you did not know that she is new. And as it kept going on, you make more sense which is good. Just don’t eat your electronics too much please. In the end, I don’t exactly see why you are mafia like Mijz does.

Prince Vultan: Welcome to mafias. Well, your very first post was the same thing with Masamune’s.

Solayoh: I know you can be very active and helpful when giving the game some more attention than just joking, could you please give some more elaborate actual thoughts on this?

EDIT:

Leggo claimed… are we willing to test it, to trust it? Worst case she uses it on someone as copcheck and gets lynched? However, when she says that she gets the result in “the following phase update” makes me feel like she claimed it just to save herself this phase. If she is mafia, it’s not hard to fake in the slightest.
Anyways:
Also since this is a thing:

I am Mafia
I am Town
I am Indepedent

Well, Mijzelffan, we have explained that Phoenicks did not know that Leggo is new, and the fact that she is new does not excuse all of her actions. I find Leggo scummy because the way she stopped the bandwagon with a bandwagon is a bit hypocritical, and all Pheonicks did was to stir up discussion, too bad he decided to vote you who would take this argument and skyrocket it to a debate with no limits.

Anyways, I have to go now… I’ll stick around with No Vote. Because if you want to give a Leggo a chance I don’ t wanna stop you.

 

[Phoenicks]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

Going to isolate a few things that haven't been discussed, for variety's sake:

Midorikawa; he was just trying to get things going, I can't blame him for doing such a thing and it's clear that he accomplished his goal at least.

Mijzelfan; You're acting really strange, every post you make sounds like some cliche super villain talking, even if your points against Phoenicks are true, though again you're pretty much doing the same thing the others are accusing him of doing now.
Phoenicks; I can agree with your point and I understand what you tried to do by Lynching Mijz but I sitll dont'know why you went with him specifically. Also, why Leggo?
CrackFox; being friends outside of the game doesn't mean anything inside of it.

This post confuses me in hindsight. Like the oblique reference to Mijz doing what "others are accusing" me of doing when Mijz is the one accusing. The point about CrackFox feels like a ready-made aphorism that shows CrackFox up without saying anything particularly meaningful. (Does anyone think friends are more likely to get town roles than non-friends? If so Flaze is willing to contest that.)

Since this is only the first day, I VOTE: No Lynch.

And with so little discussin what good will thy do? If we just vote that day one then we kow nothing after the night kill.

Midorikawa everything your phone touches is a gem this is the funniest thing I've ever heard you say.

First Mafia for me, just sitting back and trying to work out what's going on for now. Until I've worked out an alternative path, Vote: No Lynch

What does an alternative path look like?

Since this is only the first day, I VOTE: No Lynch.

And with so little discussin what good will thy do? If we just vote that day one then we kow nothing after the night kill.

*cough*Paper Mario Mafia*cough* And with that: Vote: No Lynch

I think this is really scummy. Referencing another game doesn't make your point for you; half the players here don't understand anything about that game.

I'd go into it myself but I think even the small degree to which I've referred to that game is frowned upon.

@HumanDawn; No one's worthy of being voted on day 1, it could lead to us losing the cop or the doc. Day 2 will come when we get there.

Voting =/= Lynching

If we don't vote Day 1, who are we going to vote Day 2?

EDIT:

Mijz interestingly said that your scumtell is wallposts, and you just made one in which he did completely avoid replying to that point.

I don't remember seeing anything about this, but boy do I have counterexamples. Would you like me to tell you about the time I had a role that rewarded me for every sentence I ever made?

I mean, I can't imagine a Bulbagarden where people don't know that I always make wallposts.

 

[HumanDawn]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

I feel like you were a bit fast to push the lynch on Mijz, and you also stuck to that for a while. Instead of big posts that don’t make sense, you made small ones that let him keep his vote for a while regardless. It’s not your typical behavior, yet it was all you did for quite the while.

Actually I saw the vote Phoenicks cast on Mijzelffan when it was made and only voted Mijzelffan 6 hours after he said how nothing was being done. I don't know how that's fast, or hasty. I'm not sure what you're trying to imply with "big posts that don't make sense" but I don't like it. I don't know how it's not my typical behaviour but I was busy talking privately with Phoenicks at the same time for what it's worth. We were talking about the game and suddenly he asked me how I was and I told him. I'm not sure if it makes up the span of time you're pointing out.

And then, poof, classic HumanDawn becomes active again. Does Mijzelffan VS Pheonicks have to happen every summer? Why. I have to agree, what they do is a bit pointless. LOL, you will make me ship these two now! I feel that Pheonicks was the “immature” one in the beginning and Mijz the “mature” but it kind of switched along the way? Nevertheless, I doubt we should really care exrtremely much about that kind of thing. Just LOL, that post needs a medal, Mijz tsundere and all. Yet you were quick to vote Leggo again, oh well, you are quick to do things in this game, amirite?

I don't think either of their first posts were bad, Mijzelffan then just went overboard later when Phoenicks explained. I don't think I recall being quick to vote Leggo, but I was admittedly busy with both Phoenicks privately and writing the post so it took a while. I actually was interested to see what Leggo had to say before voting, so I really have no clue how I'm being quick at doing things at all.

EDIT: About the whole wallposts scumtell thing, personally I only get a negative vibe when it's pointless and sudden after some convenient long absence. Not a scum vibe scum vibe, but a negative one.

 

[Phoenicks]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

For clarity: The post where I voted Mijz and the post where I said "I'm not going to consider changing if it no one cares" were 6 hours apart and two separate posts.

They got elided together by the moderation.

 

[Qing'e]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

@Rabbit; What is the most interesting looking thing to you that has happened so far?

Hmm, 2 things come to mind as interesting: 1: The idea of Phoenicks and you being scumbuddies. I'm not that sure, seeing as that is Phoenicks' usual behavior, and you look Town yourself. However in the (unlikely) event that Phoenicks flips scum...
2:On the other hand, I'm also interested in the case against Crackfox. She wanted this lynch despite Phoenicks having explained his actions. Furthermore, as Gibus said, her defense was essentially "But he could have picked someone else" Now she says that it's preferable to lynch someone rather than no one. True, but that can backfire. *cough*Beloved*cough* After what happened last time there was a D1 lynch, (which I participated in), I'd be a little more wary.
Those are my thoughts, as of now. And for Leggo, if she's willing: I feel these are things the Town should consider.

 

[Leggo]

Re: All-Stars Mafia - D1 - Anyone At All - 6/28

@Leggo; Why would it be a waste to use it on that sentence?

If that doesn't please you, how about "I am a Town member who genuinely thinks seriously lynching Phoenicks for reasons stated is a bad idea."

Maybe. We'll have to wait and see what statement I'm going to use for the lie detection.

So, @Leggo, I'd like to ask why you are keeping your votes on Phoenicks, because as of right now, I see no good reason at all to lynch him.

True, true. Voting for Phoenicks is not worth it. I have another suspect in mind now.
Unvote: Phoenicks

@Leggo; Would you tell us who you would use your lie detection on or do you think it's a bad idea in case somebody is telling the truth about being Town and that would make them a likely Mafia target?

You'll have to wait and see as I have said to your first quote question. It would be bad to test whether a person is a Townie and it would be better to test a mafia claim statement.

Would you contact them privately if they are saying the truth about being allied with the Town?

Maybe since I would know I have an ally to discuss things with.

I find Leggo scummy because the way she stopped the bandwagon with a bandwagon is a bit hypocritical

Zexy, I know I am not perfect. That is what makes me a human. Haven't you had those times of being hypocritical as well?