Mafia The Pokemon Starters Mafia (Mafia Wins)

[Life]

If it's not necessarily out of style why the FoS? I expected the post he posted and am not alarmed. Seems pretty trifle and not anything FoS worthy, especially as you said, is not out of style for them.

It's still odd for a townie to do, and I think it's worth noting since nobody else did so. Not saying it confirms they're mafia of course, but it's good to bring up so it's better known later.

Also, I find it a little odd how you're comfortable using meta on RS but not rMCH? And I'm not really referencing the whole derpclear argument going on more than I am the fact that you and Midori were saying he was jumpy in the beginning when he's always like that.

Not too much of a fan of Sunsette’s “let’s just lynch an inactive” suggestion. Her post otherwise looks fine, not much different from what I’ve seen of town!her elsewhere. Although I haven’t seen scum!her so I’m wary, I’d also like to see more from her I feel like she can give us more content.

To be fair that wasn't really a suggestion more than it was her stating her backup plan for the phase. I actually think she has a good idea going for someone who doesn't have that strong of a suspicion. It shows that she supports a lynch, but doesn't want to take her chances on lynching with a little information.

HOWEVER, it could also be a ploy as mafia to try and not really show an opinion towards anyone while also trying to seem active in scumhunting.

Also, I would also like to see more from @Calvin ッ . I know you said you have nothing to add but do you have reads on players at the moment? Where do you lean on the rMCH debate? There are always places to give info even if you don't think it will be beneficial.

Also x2, Zexy, I think it's odd how you were saying Midori, HD, and party myself needed to stop with discussion that was leading to nowhere. It seems fairly obvious to me that the rMCH derpclear argument isn't going to change any opinions between you and HD, and will only lead to animosity/scum feelings for each other in the future that will likely hurt the town in a future (ignoring the possibility that the two of you are scum).

 

[Life]

Also, I'm heading off for a bit so please don't expect more than an unlikely mobile post. Figured I would share so it's known I'm not ignoring anyone.

 

[Zexy]

Interesting points HD raised about MCH... I'd rather let MCH reply to that before posting my thoughts on it.

The rMCH derpclear isn't the only thing I'm talking about, though, Life. If anything it is HD who keeps bringing it up, I just said "kinda town" and it snowballed from there. And I don't think HD is scum because of what he said about rMCH, no animosity from my part.

 

[Calvinッ]

Funny you mention me when I just finish work [emoji14]

Im leaning town for MCH, after reviewing my earlier null on him. I dont think MafiaMCH would have been so defensive, so 'out there' with his early day one posting. He seems a lot more town like after going back to read his posts.

I dont get how he is derpcleared, it seems entirely possible that Mafia can have such a small role pm aswell :/

(Here's where I moan about inactives, then realise, oh. Im inactive)

Im not a huge fan of Mighty/Molten Eevee's vote on rMCH either, "It worked once so lets do it again." I think its a really dangerous way of going about the game. I could just say, "Oh Zexy was mafia once, lets vote him." You know?

Lynching Inactives is also a NoGo, you have more chance of Mafia being an active player right now, since they want to fit into town. Well I guess thats the whole point after all...
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[ReturnofMCH]

Interesting points HD raised about MCH... I'd rather let MCH reply to that before posting my thoughts on it.

The rMCH derpclear isn't the only thing I'm talking about, though, Life. If anything it is HD who keeps bringing it up, I just said "kinda town" and it snowballed from there. And I don't think HD is scum because of what he said about rMCH, no animosity from my part.

I just said I usually derptown
I didn't say I did it this time, and for another time where I skimmed way too much was chess mafia, where I didn't even know it was open setup, and I died for that and many more reasons that could have been averted if I read the rules throughly
Seriously, why am I always lynched day 1? I hate dying as town and on the first day, almost every gosh darn game.

 

[HumanDawn]

It's still odd for a townie to do, and I think it's worth noting since nobody else did so. Not saying it confirms they're mafia of course, but it's good to bring up so it's better known later.

Also, I find it a little odd how you're comfortable using meta on RS but not rMCH? And I'm not really referencing the whole derpclear argument going on more than I am the fact that you and Midori were saying he was jumpy in the beginning when he's always like that.

Yeah but still, it's just not something I'd say "FoS" worthy, and it seemed weird to say it was when you said it wasn't out of style.

Different players, different experiences. I remember games where people harped on RS and it seemed to go nowhere, he wouldn't reply much, people would go after them more, and it would end in a mislynch or just a distracting mess. I don't even remember ROMCH's meta that much, plus, it's beyond just being jumpy, and I thought that going after him could help the thread much more. Hmm, though... honestly? I think I might have just gone and voted RS and questioned him if he did say what he said early on before I had nobody else to vote on, even if it could be confusing because it would be "something" to get people to talk about.

 

[ReturnofMCH]

This is why I should refrain from joke voting -_- as I said before I hate joke voting and it helped snowball me into dying.

 

[ReturnofMCH]

Well since I'm dead I wish to become a sub, because I still want to play this game but noooooo, I always have to die day 1.

 

[HumanDawn]

Im leaning town for MCH, after reviewing my earlier null on him. I dont think MafiaMCH would have been so defensive, so 'out there' with his early day one posting. He seems a lot more town like after going back to read his posts.

How defensive is MafiaMCH then? It's weird that you claim that you don't think he would be so defensive, when I believe he hasn't actually been defending himself. I bring stuff about him, he ignores it.

I just said I usually derptown
I didn't say I did it this time, and for another time where I skimmed way too much was chess mafia, where I didn't

Then why did you not deny it in the first place? Two players defended you and you let them think you derptowned so it would help you?

Well since I'm dead I wish to become a sub, because I still want to play this game but noooooo, I always have to die day 1.

Half the phase isn't even over yet. If you don't want to die then actually defend yourself. How do you expect people to get a good read on you when you don't handle opposition?

 

[Zexy]

I feel like MCH overdid it just now with the fatalistic talk to the point it feels a bit forced.

Also @returnofmastercrazyhand please reply to what HumanDawn said about you, not me.

 

[Calvinッ]

Ah, that is my own fault, maybe the term I meant is aggresive then? I couldnt tell you how I messed them up. What I meant is at the beginning of the game he called out everything that was anti town, little or big, and in this case, I believe he would have layed low if he was the mafia.

Just finished a long day at work. Apologies.

 

[HumanDawn]

I feel like MCH overdid it just now with the fatalistic talk to the point it feels a bit forced.

How are his talks usually?

Ah, that is my own fault, maybe the term I meant is aggresive then? I couldnt tell you how I messed them up. What I meant is at the beginning of the game he called out everything that was anti town, little or big, and in this case, I believe he would have layed low if he was the mafia.

Just finished a long day at work. Apologies.

What are the anti-Town things? Why do you get the impression that he is Town, and not just pointing out every little thing to deflect attention from the opposition he got?

 

[Zexy]

How are his talks usually?

He's never assumed he's already dead before, like this:

Well since I'm dead I wish to become a sub, because I still want to play this game but noooooo, I always have to die day 1.

 

[Calvinッ]

I didnt see any opposition to him early on until today?

And if you truly think he is scum, and he flips scum, then I will stand corrected on this, and then by all means you can lynch me. Im just trying to avoid what I personally believe to be a bad lynch.

 

[HumanDawn]

I didnt see any opposition to him early on until today?

Me and Midorikawa voted him in the first page of the game...

And if you truly think he is scum, and he flips scum, then I will stand corrected on this, and then by all means you can lynch me. Im just trying to avoid what I personally believe to be a bad lynch.

Oh don't worry. I'm not the type to auto-lynch people just because they defended a player who I thought was scum and they flipped scum. I am a very open-minded person, I try to consider as many possibilities and alternatives as I can for the optimal actions and even inactions, to give people some room so I don't hog everything.

Word of advice: if you believe a lynch to be very bad; offer an alternative. The best defence is offence. People would be more willing to take you seriously if you voted for somebody else. Otherwise it makes you look like you don't have any other alternatives, and that you don't have enough confidence in ROMCH being Town that it would make you act any differently, so what you say is more likely to fall in deaf ears.

 

[Slife]

Didn't MCH get so suicidal one time that he voted himself and The_Pikachu brutally scorned him for that? I think it was in Chess Mafia. MCH always looses his cool at the slightest suspicion against him. I just find it hard to believe that he could fabricate all this from the start. HD makes interesting notes about his behavior, but I just don't see Mafia!MCH going with something that risky so early on in the game. Not saying he isn't acting scummy, as what he's doing is very anti-town; I'm saying he's being typical MCH. Whether that merits a vote is another question.

 

[Zexy]

Didn't MCH get so suicidal one time that he voted himself and The_Pikachu brutally scorned him for that? I think it was in Chess Mafia. MCH always looses his cool at the slightest suspicion against him. I just find it hard to believe that he could fabricate all this from the start. HD makes interesting notes about his behavior, but I just don't see Mafia!MCH going with something that risky so early on in the game. Not saying he isn't acting scummy, as what he's doing is very anti-town; I'm saying he's being typical MCH. Whether that merits a vote is another question.

I'm torn at this moment; while there have been lots of towny moments from MCH all this time, Human raised a really good point recently and MCH's latest reactions felt a bit overdone (so they may be forced). My gut's still saying town tbh.

 

[HumanDawn]

Didn't MCH get so suicidal one time that he voted himself and The_Pikachu brutally scorned him for that? I think it was in Chess Mafia. MCH always looses his cool at the slightest suspicion against him. I just find it hard to believe that he could fabricate all this from the start. HD makes interesting notes about his behavior, but I just don't see Mafia!MCH going with something that risky so early on in the game. Not saying he isn't acting scummy, as what he's doing is very anti-town; I'm saying he's being typical MCH. Whether that merits a vote is another question.

He could fabricate what? Being suicidal? What makes him being Town and suicidal one game make him more likely to be both Town and suicidal this game instead of potentially Mafia? Why would it be hard for him to fabricate? What is the risky thing you are referring to? Is it pretending that he derptowned? If so, what makes it more likely that he's Town for pretending than Mafia?

I really don't understand this defence brigade on ROMCH. They claim that ROMCH derptowned, he acknowledges what they say, and then when I bring up reasons as to why we shouldn't believe that he derptowned, he says he didn't actually derptown but that he just usually does it but doesn't deny the defence of Zexy and Slife, even though he actually said that he does skim the mechanics of games which acts as a defence to make it more understandable for him to derptown. Yet these actions make the defence brigade think he's more likely to be Town? Uhhhhhh.... wHAT? At this rate, ROMCH may as well say he's Mafia, and there would be posts like "Nahhh, he's definitely Town."...

 

[Slife]

@HumanDawn tbh it's going to be really hard to explain it to you (or anyone) if you aren't familiar with MCH's "meta" (the quotation marks are because I don't think unintentionally consistent anti-town behavior should be considered a meta, but it's a reality that impossible to ignore). Yes I know, ideally one shouldn't rely on meta to read a player and a new game should start fresh (insert rest of scumhunting 101 lecture here) but its unrealistic. Zexy can understand what I'm saying because we've experienced the same thing with leetic, where a townie played so intensely anti-town that you were sure they couldnt actually be mafia, and it's kinda shaken up our (at least my) confidence with these kinds of situations. I'd also like to clarify that I'm not arguing against voting MCH, merely offering another perspective to consider. I think that's something town should decide together.

 

[Snowy]

wHAT THE FUCK... What kind of reasoning is THAT? Vote HIM because you SUSPECT HIM, not because he flipped scum last time you blindly voted him! It's both unfair and unsportsmanlike.

I'm always voted off because I "sound" scummy. This is really no different. If its "Unsportsmanlike" to vote someone because of their high chance of being scum, why is it okay to vote me off because I "sound" scummy.

Eh, I don't care. Do what you want.

Fair point, but do you have anything else to say over all the other posts in the thread? Please post something more than "I don't like Elementar doing X" and leaving it that. And then, that vote of yours on MCH is pretty bad; just because he was scum Day 1 sometime means he has to be scum Day 1 here?

Twisting my words, much?

I don't get it. You hound me for not wanting to lynch someone day one. You hound me the one game I go for an information lynch based on the only person that I suspect would turn up scummy.

Protesting a blind lynch and then randomly voting someone almost immediately after makes you look very wishy washy and potentially anti-town.

See point one.

Im not a huge fan of Mighty/Molten Eevee's vote on rMCH either, "It worked once so lets do it again." I think its a really dangerous way of going about the game. I could just say, "Oh Zexy was mafia once, lets vote him." You know?

That's not a bad idea. Do you want to start a zexy bandwagon, or shall I?

If I suspected Zexy of being scum, I would be voting him over anyone else in this game because he makes a dangerous enemy... But I don't see anything to give me a reason to do that.

Seriously, why am I always lynched day 1? I hate dying as town and on the first day, almost every gosh darn game.

I think posts like the following two don't really help your cause.

This is why I should refrain from joke voting -_- as I said before I hate joke voting and it helped snowball me into dying.

Well since I'm dead I wish to become a sub, because I still want to play this game but noooooo, I always have to die day 1.

I don't want to hear "I'm dead"... You have over 24 hours left, I believe.... What do you think of the votes against you? I think there are... two? Are there two?

Now, I'm going to go build me a castle with my frubbles. One where I can keep a better eye on the other pokemon.