SPOILERS: Demo Datamine Discussion

[techitisJ]

I have a feeling is was more about expense than anything else. some models were scrubbed while others were not. much of the game was scrubbed from what it sounds like from dataminers. and I believe them. it would explain why the gen feels incomplete.
scrubbing takes time which = $. scrub the big news (seller) and let the "less" important stuff leak. is how i think they were thinking. after all most of what we found out was just a few evolutions and maybe a couple of brand new pokemon lines.

Yeah, money too XD.
I did notice that, how there was maybe only 3 new evolution lines in there. There is a good possibility that there are more Pokemon.

 

[SUP3RN0VA]

I don't know, it kinda seemed like a natural development after the Wii U, to me. Granted I've never touched a Wii U, but I was under the impression that you could play some games on it, independent of the TV, much like a handheld system. If the Switch was a hybrid of handheld and home consoles, it would probably have similar versatility where you could either use it as a handheld or connect it to the television in some way. Probably in a much better way than the Wii U did. Technology does have a pretty incredible rate of development, after all.

You can play some games on the Wii U Gamepad without looking at the television, although you can't exactly take the gamepad and go around playing the Wii U outside. The Nintendo Switch is a complete hybrid, so we can disconnect the portable part and play it around anywhere we want, which is a great concept. Who knows, this could be something planned by Nintendo for every future console, and not just a one off. if so, I welcome it.

Will Gamefreak really have a say in that? They're probably going to just have to deal with it and find a way to work around it.

I wonder how likely it is that Nintendo will release some sort of add-on screen peripheral in order to have dual screen gaming. Now that I think about it the loss of dual screens is going to mess with a lot of portable franchises...especially ones that were (3)DS exclusive.

No. If Nintendo decide to only do hybrid consoles now, Gamefreak will have no choice but to abide. Still, I can't help but feeling that is not what Nintendo is going to do. I have a feeling that Nintendo is going to want to create stand alone handheld consoles as well for the players that do not usually purchase home consoles.

I'm not currently sure if there will be an extra attachable screen, although the trailer didn't show it. I've a feeling there is no such device, which means the Nintendo switch will likely not be backwards compatible with either the Nintendo Wii U or the Nintendo 3DS.

yeah I don't see them having 2 portable devices competing with each other plus this feels like a good natural evolution to the next level.

They wouldn't be competing against each other. If my speculation is correct, and Nintendo continue creating standalone handheld consoles, then those consoles will be for those who do not want to spend the money purchasing whole home console just to play the typical handheld game (like Pokémon, for instance).

What I mean, is that Nintendo could theoretically continue the hybrid path, and create consoles that are both home consoles and portable consoles, but then also create just portable consoles for those who do not want to spend the money purchasing home consoles.

I bet there are plenty of people that only purchase Nintendo's handheld consoles, and not their home consoles, so that they can play Pokémon and perhaps a few other handheld titles. I can only imagine the potential uproar it may cause if people discover that in order to play Pokémon now, you HAVE to spend the money purchasing the hybrid console. That is why I am theorising that Nintendo may want to continue creating stand alone handheld consoles.

 

[Jackalantyrn]

Your screen didn't black out for a while when you opened one of those fences in town? Cause I think that's what was meant. And I played this on a New 3DS XL and those loading screens were definitely there. As far as I've seen, the game's just as fast on the old 3DS as on the new one, when it comes to loadings screens. The new one just has better framerate in battles and when using the Poké Finder.

Nope mine has not had the slightest load screen whatsoever, and my screen has never blacked out at fences.

 

[Eggseggseggseggs]

Lol no I think the pokemon battle system itself is one of the most fun and exciting things on earth the in-game battles Gamefreak designs are all tedious and mind-numbingly easy, though. Hence the gameplay isn't fun, even though the engine and concept is. Look at Valerie's team; she had a Mawile with three moves and no item and none of them even STAB for fuck's sake, AND the worst ability Mawile gets

And I wasn't talking about S/M specifically but GF's twenty year history with however many main series pokemon games we've had so far each has only had the bare minimum "plot"



Lol I was thinking about Leech Life Technician Scizor earlier today and how bulky Scizor is going to be that much more fun

Ohhh I getcha now.

Yeah you really have to implement your own challenges to even get anything out of it difficulty wise.

I feel like gen 5 had much better plot overall though, or at least they seemed to have tried more so then ever before. They were actually willing to ask the question "is pokemon training right/wrong?" even if they cheaped out on it in the end, and I really appreciated that. Plus the characters had a lot of focus.

I feel like they are doing that again here. I was actually thinking earlier today B/W might have been about if training pokemon is wrong, where as the question/theme here could be "what even are pokemon? and what aren't?"

 

[Esserise]

Supposed the little guy at the end of the mined Pokedex images is Marshadow, what do you guy think the quote and quote unique type combination would be? I've look over unused typing and there are 5 that seem most likely to me which are Poison/Fairy, Poison/Psychic, Fairy/Fire, Fairy/Dark, or Fighting/Ghost (the last one is a stretch, I know, but shadowy mon are mostly ghost type, and it's either Fighting/Ghost or Normal/Ghost, or Rock/Ghost, and the name is Mars = war = fighting +Shadow = ghost).

Fairy/Dark is the one I'm leaning toward most (and it's the one I prefer).

 

[TouyaShiro]

Your screen didn't black out for a while when you opened one of those fences in town? Cause I think that's what was meant.

I will admit, that is rather annoying, heh. My guess is that they didn't bother programming the fences to have an animation for opening and that they may not *want* to program dynamic camera triggers for those areas (the fence down south where the Slowpoke are comes to mind). The implication is that your character is opening the fence, but... yeah, it's weird because the animation is slow to accommodate for what I assume to be the simulated realism of how long it takes to open and close a fence as opposed to just teleporting to the other side in a flash like, say, Etrian Odyssey when you go through a shortcut.

Edit: So, to clarify, I don't think they are loading zones at all - they're just camera adjustments masked by a fadeout to save themselves from programming the necessary animations and camera triggers. I think this to be the case because you can walk all the way around them just fine, and the timing whenever you enter or exit a fenced area is consistent.

 

[Eggseggseggseggs]

Fairy/Dark is the one I'm leaning toward most (and it's the one I prefer).

You mean Marshadow?

If so I agree. It would definitely match up with the rumors of it having a unique typing.

 

[UB-01 Kenobi]

I'm sure you know this, but I just wanted to clarify. A Mega Salamence cannot use a Z-Move since it's already holding the Salamencite. Thus I'm sure any Dragon Z-Move a Druddigon uses would outclass any dragon move a Mega Salamence uses, because of sheer difference in base power (not assuming IVs, EVs, stat boost etc).

252+ Atk Druddigon Z-Move* vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 339-399 (99.4 - 117%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Aerilate Mega Salamence Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 304-358 (89.1 - 104.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

The power difference isn't noticeable, trust me. There's nothing you can do to make something like Druddigon comparable with something like Mega Salamence unless you give it its own Mega or a new Forme or something.

*If you're wondering how I ran the calc, I gave Druddigon a 200 base power Dragon type move. In the demo, Nuzzle (20 BP) changes to a 100 BP Gigavolt Havoc, and Thunderbolt (90 BP) changes to 175 BP, so I'm assuming the boost is approximately +80 BP, meaning that Outrage probably results in an ~200 BP Dragon type Z-Move.

 

[CharizardMen99]

Found this online...maybe this confirm that Other character like Lance,Zinnia and the others will return?

There are some other characters that may show up and may be recognized by fans of the previous games. So there’s some characters recurring, and maybe they show up with a different look than they had before.

 

[MallowBloomDoom]

Found this online...maybe this confirm that Other character like Lance,Zinnia and the others will return?

There are some other characters that may show up and may be recognized by fans of the previous games. So there’s some characters recurring, and maybe they show up with a different look than they had before.

Yeah that was a leak as well as S.S. Anne returning.

 

[Tente]

Ohhh I getcha now.

Yeah you really have to implement your own challenges to even get anything out of it difficulty wise.

I feel like gen 5 had much better plot overall though, or at least they seemed to have tried more so the ever before. They were actually willing to ask the question "is pokemon training right/wrong?" even if they cheaped out on it in the end, and I really appreciated that. Plus the characters had a lot of focus.

I feel like they are doing that again here. I was actually thinking earlier today B/W might have been about if training pokemon is wrong, where as the question/theme here could be "what even are pokemon? and what aren't?"

I totally agree with what you said about Gen V; Gen V is partislly my favorite because it has the most interesting storyline by a mile, how I see it

and sorry I wasn't clear the first time

 

[Boss1708]

I dunno. Somehow, I don´t think that limiting Pokemon players and other handheld users to "buy my expensive Switch hybrid console, or don´t play Pokemon!" starategy would make much sense. I think Nintendo will be intelligent enough to also create a cheaper, handheld- only console, like they have ALWAYS done since the original GameBoy.

That, or they will just continue to support the 3DS family by making games also for it. For example, Gen VIII comes out, and the games are available for Switch, and there is also a 3DS port with inferior graphics, but the exact same content.

I mean, you guys know for how long the PS2 was supported. If I remember correctly, PS4 was out, and PS2 ports of games were still made xD (for reference, the last PS2 game was FIFA 2014. It was available for PS2, PS3 and PS4)!

 

[MallowBloomDoom]

I did wish the datamine had the hair models, accessories and clothing models inside so I can know what my female will wear oh well gotta wait on that....the past characters looking different definitely pushes my Zinnia looking more mature from 10+ years prediction further probably Blue as well since he's a man now maybe Red too if he might show up!

 

[Necrozma]

I'm curious about something.

Zygarde apparently consists of multiple cores (five, to be exact), but in all the sprites and data that was mined, all we have seen was a single sprite of the Red Core and a sprite of the Zygarde Cell. What is up with that? Or were those sprites for some reason unable to be datamined?

 

[Esserise]

I'm curious about something.

Zygarde apparently consists of multiple cores (five, to be exact), but in all the sprites and data that was mined, all we have seen was a single sprite of the Red Core and a sprite of the Zygarde Cell. What is up with that? Or were those sprites for some reason unable to be datamined?

@Uhane asked this same question like two or three pages back.

Summarizing my response from there, I'm guessing that we only have to find one Core (the red one), which can function as Zygarde 10% Forme w/Aura Break until we unite it with a Zygarde 50% Forme that waits elsewhere (which would already contain some the other-colored Cores, which are, conveniently, not visible on 50% Forme's body). Something (the Zygarde Cube?) will then allow us to change their Abilities to Power Construct. Supporting this is the main site saying that 50% Forme is the "main body" of the Zygarde system and that 10% Forme is controlled by a single Core in emergencies, as well as the Pokémon Bank section showing a picture of a PC box that contains both 50% Forme and 10% Forme as separate individuals.

 

[Necrozma]

@Uhane asked this same question like two or three pages back.

Summarizing my response from there, I'm guessing that we only have to find one Core (the red one), which can function as Zygarde 10% Forme w/Aura Break until we unite it with a Zygarde 50% Forme that waits elsewhere (which would already contain some the other-colored Cores, which are, conveniently, not visible on 50% Forme's body). Something (the Zygarde Cube?) will then allow us to change their Abilities to Power Construct. Supporting this is the main site saying that 50% Forme is the "main body" of the Zygarde system and that 10% Forme is controlled by a single Core in emergencies, as well as the Pokémon Bank section showing a picture of a PC box that contains both 50% Forme and 10% Forme as separate individuals.

I guess that makes sense. I guess I just expected to see the individual cores lol, especially since the anime bothered to show the Blue Core. Thanks!

 

[Kerhelion]

I think the justification is much more simple: the same way there is only one icon for all the cells, there is only one icon for all the cores.

(By the way I think there is only 2 cores, like in the anime)

 

[Esserise]

(By the way I think there is only 2 cores, like in the anime)

Complete Forme's description on the official site would seem to imply the existence of at least three:

> "Its wings and tail each have their own Core."

It has one tail and, depending on how you count them, either two or four wings. In order for each to have a Core, there would have to be no fewer than three, yeah?

On top of that, consider what 10% Forme's page says:

> "When an emergency occurs, this form can take action separately from Zygarde 50% Forme, which comprises its main body. It has just a single Core performing the functions of its brain, so it can only maintain this form for a short period of time."

Zygarde 50% Forme is the "main body." 10% Forme is the form taken by a lone Core when it needs to defend itself, but because there is only one Core in the driver's set of 10% Forme, it cannot remain in that form for very long. How, then, could 50% Forme comprise the "main body" consistently if there were only one Core maintaining it?

 

[Tsutsayosdi]

I'm curious about something.

Zygarde apparently consists of multiple cores (five, to be exact), but in all the sprites and data that was mined, all we have seen was a single sprite of the Red Core and a sprite of the Zygarde Cell. What is up with that? Or were those sprites for some reason unable to be datamined?

@Uhane asked this same question like two or three pages back.

Summarizing my response from there, I'm guessing that we only have to find one Core (the red one), which can function as Zygarde 10% Forme w/Aura Break until we unite it with a Zygarde 50% Forme that waits elsewhere (which would already contain some the other-colored Cores, which are, conveniently, not visible on 50% Forme's body). Something (the Zygarde Cube?) will then allow us to change their Abilities to Power Construct. Supporting this is the main site saying that 50% Forme is the "main body" of the Zygarde system and that 10% Forme is controlled by a single Core in emergencies, as well as the Pokémon Bank section showing a picture of a PC box that contains both 50% Forme and 10% Forme as separate individuals.

There would be ten cores in all though, because if there were only 5, there couldn't be a 10% or 50% (only 20%, 40%, 60%, and 80% before Complete), right?

If there is a 50% Form to find, then we should still be finding 5 individual cores.

 

[Esserise]

There would be ten cores in all though, because if there were only 5, there couldn't be a 10% or 50% (only 20%, 40%, 60%, and 80% before Complete), right?

Prrrrrrrrrrrrretty sure we're dealing with soft maths on this one.

Regardless, it's hard to say exactly without knowing how many Cores there are. I just don't think there are only two.