Mafia Periodic Table Mafia ~ Endgame

[Midorikawa]

@jackatlasred are you just a miller or is there more to it?

On the whole cult situation. Now that Elie tells about a certain recruitment, it is a possibility. I'm not focusing on though, no need to waste time on a possible group while we have a guaranteed mafia group to find.
@Elieson do you have more info about this recruitment?

Why ask Elie for more info right after saying there's no point in wasting time on the group? And do you think he really would have withheld that kind of information if he had it I es town?

Also why are you pushing jack to claim further? Wouldn't that just possibly put him on the mafia hit list?

@Elieson when you said you would claim did you just mean this: "I cannot be recruited by other roles. "
Or were/are planning on claiming your whole role?

@jdthebud Why did you choose Max?

 

[Ereshkigal]

What's the deal with you anyway, and why should we not vig you tonight man?

The deal is that I like to scumhunt without giving scum anything to work with involving my posts and not being worthy of an NK. At the same time, the fact it's the first day means I generally don't have anything to work with and am just building my profiles for the game based on how people act and prior interactions with them. Plus, I am also still somewhat establishing my persona for the game.

Or, at least, I usually don't have something to work with.

Pressuring people like you are? Threatening kills at night on the first day? That's scummy.

Unvote: Maniacal Engineer
Vote: Elieson

 

[Midorikawa]

The deal is that I like to scumhunt without giving scum anything to work with involving my posts and not being worthy of an NK.

What scumhunting? I haven't seen any. And not giving scum anything? What about town? Why would you derive town of information?

At the same time, the fact it's the first day means I generally don't have anything to work with

I won't disagree that early day one no one has anything to work with but we're at the halfway point. There's been plenty that you could work with at this point and this post is the most you give?

Plus, I am also still somewhat establishing my persona for the game.

Why would you need to establish a persona at all? Shouldn't you just be able to jump right into your usual townplay or do you have a different role than town.

Pressuring people like you are?

What's wrong with pressuring people? How is he pressuring them in a scummy way?

Threatening kills at night on the first day?

But it wasn't a night kill, it was vig kill. Vig kills are town aligned so how does bringing that up make him scummy?

@Maniacal Engineer Question for you this time: You knew that Ereshigikals post mentioning all of us was a joke despite no one else truly realizing it. In reality a good few thought it was serious, and I even did at first until I noticed their own name in it, and then I realized it might be a joke. So what are your thoughts on that? Seems strange for it to so obviously be one when multiple seemed confused by it and didn't recognize it as a joke.

Also on the subject of recruiting, did anyone think of converter?

 

[Midorikawa]

UNVOTE: Elieson

Forgot that in my last post. He isn't scummy enough to have the majority, and I'm finding Eresh to be much more scummy currently. I am waiting on responses to stuff before voting though.

 

[Maniacal Engineer]

@Maniacal Engineer Question for you this time: You knew that Ereshigikals post mentioning all of us was a joke despite no one else truly realizing it. In reality a good few thought it was serious, and I even did at first until I noticed their own name in it, and then I realized it might be a joke. So what are your thoughts on that? Seems strange for it to so obviously be one when multiple seemed confused by it and didn't recognize it as a joke.

Are you asking me how I knew it was a joke? Bit of an odd question, honestly, but I'll bite.
1. She mentioned herself. Pretty big tipoff there. And I actually read through posts and try to analyze them before commenting on them.
2. Everything she's posted before and after wasn't serious, so why should that post be?
3. I probably interact with Eresh on a daily basis more than the rest of y'all who stay in TWR, since she is a frequent poster in RM, which is a much less "formal" atmosphere.

 

[Midorikawa]

Are you asking me how I knew it was a joke? Bit of an odd question, honestly, but I'll bite.
1. She mentioned herself. Pretty big tipoff there. And I actually read through posts and try to analyze them before commenting on them.
2. Everything she's posted before and after wasn't serious, so why should that post be?
3. I probably interact with Eresh on a daily basis more than the rest of y'all who stay in TWR, since she is a frequent poster in RM, which is a much less "formal" atmosphere.

And what do you think of the fact that multiple took it seriously or were at least a bit confused by it.

 

[Feenie]

What about her? It's noteworthy because those 3 are thought of as "power players", people that had been around for very long and know how to play, being correct several times etc. I found it weird it was them 3 sheeping among each other with the less experienced not voting for him at all.

You mentioned Human, FA, and Midori but only proceeded to talk about what you thought about Human and Midori. You didn't really talk about your opinion on FA. Albeit, I see you have now.

@jackatlasred are you just a miller or is there more to it?

There's close to no way of finding out the truth to that, although honestly I see little point in claiming miller in a game with no outside communication. I suppose for him it eliminates the risk of a cop checking him and getting the result back and having all that confusion ensue.

VOTE: Ereshkigal.

Biggest scum-read to me right now.

The deal is that I like to scumhunt without giving scum anything to work with involving my posts and not being worthy of an NK.

That seems a bit tough to do. How do you go about that? As in not talking much and just paying attention to the posts in thread or is there a different way I'm just not seeing.

At the same time, the fact it's the first day means I generally don't have anything to work with and am just building my profiles for the game based on how people act and prior interactions with them. Plus, I am also still somewhat establishing my persona for the game.

I'm pleasantly surprised that this day phase has been active, so there's been stuff to work with at the very least.

Pressuring people like you are? Threatening kills at night on the first day? That's scummy.

Pressure gets answers-- pressure to a reasonable extent, anyhow.

 

[Ereshkigal]

What scumhunting? I haven't seen any. And not giving scum anything? What about town? Why would you derive town of information?

I have my own methods of scumhunting. And I am not depriving town of information; my role isn't one for information gathering or for killing. I am no threat to the Mafia and not really much of a boon to the Town beyond numbers. It's not really an ability I would have chosen at all simply because I don't really have much use for it.

I won't disagree that early day one no one has anything to work with but we're at the halfway point. There's been plenty that you could work with at this point and this post is the most you give?

Because what we have to work with right now is mostly fluff and people being far too paranoid. I'm going after the only person who reads as any sort of threat to myself or other town, not someone who reads as a bit off simply because of their early playstyle.

Why would you need to establish a persona at all? Shouldn't you just be able to jump right into your usual townplay or do you have a different role than town.

Establishing a persona is my usual town play. Go back and look over all of the games I've been town; one of the first things I do is establish a persona. Then I generally try to drop hints or lure scum out.

What's wrong with pressuring people? How is he pressuring them in a scummy way?

Eli's pressuring people over joke posting when they don't have much information to go on. It's the kind of play I'd make if I were scum and wanting to set up someone for a mislynch.

But it wasn't a night kill, it was vig kill. Vig kills are town aligned so how does bringing that up make him scummy?

I think I made it clear how much I believe them on that right now.

UNVOTE: Elieson

Forgot that in my last post. He isn't scummy enough to have the majority, and I'm finding Eresh to be much more scummy currently. I am waiting on responses to stuff before voting though.

Eh, I always seem scummy as town. That's normal.

VOTE: Ereshkigal.

Biggest scum-read to me right now.

Just ask Zexy about how likely that is to make me scum. He's seen me actually play as scum before, and he knows how I play it. Seeming scummy as town, almost like I'm a lightning rod for attention? That's normal for me when I'm town. You could say I electrify the conversation.

That seems a bit tough to do. How do you go about that? As in not talking much and just paying attention to the posts in thread or is there a different way I'm just not seeing.

I pay attention to how people react to what I'm saying. Not just what they post, but how they word things. And I weight multiple pieces of evidence.

I'm pleasantly surprised that this day phase has been active, so there's been stuff to work with at the very least.

Yeah, but a lot of it's going to lead to misreads. That's part of why I'm not a fan of early posturing during Day One. People get too paranoid and read too much into anything, leading to a lot of mislynches. And good scum know how to use those misreads to their advantage.

Pressure gets answers-- pressure to a reasonable extent, anyhow.

And pressure must be applied at reasonable times.

 

[Midorikawa]

I have my own methods of scumhunting. And I am not depriving town of information; my role isn't one for information gathering or for killing. I am no threat to the Mafia and not really much of a boon to the Town beyond numbers. It's not really an ability I would have chosen at all simply because I don't really have much use for it.

So what? Not sharing thoughts or being vague doesn't help town and that's the only way you could be depriving mafia of anything, but even then it helps them more than town. And even a vanilla is perfectly helpful in a mafia game.

Because what we have to work with right now is mostly fluff and people being far too paranoid. I'm going after the only person who reads as any sort of threat to myself or other town, not someone who reads as a bit off simply because of their early playstyle.

What fluff? There is hardly any fluff. Most of this phase has been serious. Sure we've been joking in between but there is plenty enough that is not fluff.

Eli's pressuring people over joke posting when they don't have much information to go on. It's the kind of play I'd make if I were scum and wanting to set up someone for a mislynch.

Who? Me? Because I haven't been pressured over any joke posts. Who? Because he's been on me for a decent amount. I've seen no unnecessary pressure.

I think I made it clear how much I believe them on that right now.

That doesn't answer my question. Why does a vig kill make him scummy?

Eh, I always seem scummy as town. That's normal.

Doesn't make you town every time.

And pressure must be applied at reasonable times.

And where was the unreasonable time?

 

[Feenie]

Eli's pressuring people over joke posting when they don't have much information to go on. It's the kind of play I'd make if I were scum and wanting to set up someone for a mislynch.

A moot point, since that's what you would do and therefore pointless to bring up.

Just ask Zexy about how likely that is to make me scum. He's seen me actually play as scum before, and he knows how I play it. Seeming scummy as town, almost like I'm a lightning rod for attention? That's normal for me when I'm town. You could say I electrify the conversation.

Ok, but is that meta supposed to let you coast along if you were hypothetically mafia? That's pure meta and no evidence pointing towards you being anything less than scum. If you're acting suspicious then why should you be seen as anything but that--besides the statement of someone else vouching that you apparently appear that way in other games.

I pay attention to how people react to what I'm saying. Not just what they post, but how they word things. And I weight multiple pieces of evidence.

That's reasonable and makes a good amount of sense.

Yeah, but a lot of it's going to lead to misreads. That's part of why I'm not a fan of early posturing during Day One. People get too paranoid and read too much into anything, leading to a lot of mislynches. And good scum know how to use those misreads to their advantage.

Reads have to start somewhere, so why not get them started early even if they are misreads? Misreads are going to occur regardless. It doesn't matter if it's Day 1 or not. People read too much into anything, it's sort of just what happens so I don't see how it happening on Day 1 makes a difference. If anything I actually think it's better for it to start earlier rather than later for the activity aspect because that makes it so there's more to look at and more to go off of as far as reading can go. If there's nothing to read, then it's hard to even make a case for anything. Also misreads =/= mislynch.

 

[Ereshkigal]

Answering from my phone...

Mido, I don't share thoughts I know are just worthless. So I am not denying the town anything. I simply don't have anything to really work with.

And, the vig kill answers itself if you look at how I first responded to Eli. I don't think he has vig kills at all, but do think he can kill at night and is threatening a vig kill to try to control the conversation.

Also, it does make me town every time. I play a lot less suspiciously as Mafia. Seriously, have someone cop check me tonight. They'll tell you I'm quite attractive of attention, but not worth killing. If anything, smart town might find a use for my ability I've not thought of.

And, yes, it is mostly fluff. Even serious conversation can be fluff.

 

[Ereshkigal]

Feenie, will reply during break. Need to stop idiot government inspector from irradiating midwest. Be back then.

 

[Maniacal Engineer]

@Ereshkigal @Max1996: a little required reading for y'all.
Mafia: - Christmas Mafia! ENDGAME: It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year (Town Win!)
Mafia: - Masters of the Whoniverse! (Doctor Who Mafia) - Endgame: Day of the Doctor (Town Victory) 11/17/15

Those are good representations of Elie's "normal" playstyle as town.

@Midorikawa in answer to your question, I would say that those people who took Eresh's post seriously should have read it more carefully. Honestly, if she was being serious, she would have easily included HD and Elie in her list. Again, the most glaring fact that pointed to her post being a joke was that she was on her own list. One doesn't need to know the intricate details of Eresh's mind to understand that it was a joke.

 

[HumanDawn]

Pressuring people like you are? Threatening kills at night on the first day? That's scummy.

Unvote: Maniacal Engineer
Vote: Elieson

LMAO, of all the reasons to vote Elieson this has to be the kind I disagree with the most. What's scummy about the way he's pressuring people to post more? How is the way he encouraged you to post more suspicious? Yeah, he pressured people over jokeposting, but it's not like he's setting everyone that does as a lynch target.

@Midorikawa I know you said you explained it but that doesn't mean I'm ~satisfied~. I still think it was very uncharacteristic of you.

Anyway, I did think of Converter but I don't like bringing them up because of the dumb paranoid they could bring. This is even a NoC game, there won't be someone getting all the claims and manipulate what they can with it. The worst they could do is lead the Town the wrong way but hopefully that's noticeable before any severe damage is done.

 

[HumanDawn]

TBH, I'm not getting scum vibes from Eresh. It sounds like their attitude is just a personality thing. I think scum are likelier to try to take something they could take seriously, well, seriously, instead of joke around a bit more instead of "scumhunting".

 

[Midorikawa]

@Midorikawa I know you said you explained it but that doesn't mean I'm ~satisfied~. I still think it was very uncharacteristic of you.

What the heck do you expect me to say? You're going to get the same answer over and over so why are you concentrating on it?

 

[Maniacal Engineer]

TBH, I'm not getting scum vibes from Eresh. It sounds like their attitude is just a personality thing. I think scum are likelier to try to take something they could take seriously, well, seriously, instead of joke around a bit more instead of "scumhunting".

From what I have observed of Eresh as either MoD or host, and from what I know based on her posts in F&G, I agree with this assessment completely.

It's not the Towniest attitude or playstyle, but it is definitely not indicative of being scum.

 

[Feenie]

TBH, I'm not getting scum vibes from Eresh. It sounds like their attitude is just a personality thing. I think scum are likelier to try to take something they could take seriously, well, seriously, instead of joke around a bit more instead of "scumhunting".

Underlined part isn't the issue, it's more or less the consistent usage of excuses, the poor reasoning for their vote, and how they claim that they have a way of going about scum-hunting but I'm not seeing much of an attempt. Ereshkigal is saying that this phase has had a lot of fluff and not much to work with but I'm not seeing that. I think it's an excuse.

 

[Rainbow Cloud]

The problem with Eresh and Max is they tend to say or do a lot of things which look scummy which only make trying to analyse their posts that much more difficult. Eresh hasn't really stood out too much for me so far.

Max on the other hand seems a little different in this game, his posts seem kind of more vague than normal, I can't recall him making a serious game related post so far, it's all either been joke stuff or him not knowing what to say.

 

[Max1996]

Max on the other hand seems a little different in this game, his posts seem kind of more vague than normal, I can't recall him making a serious game related post so far, it's all either been joke stuff or him not knowing what to say.

If I am different than normal in this game, I guess I didn't notice...