War of the Elements v4 - Endgame - 5/5/2017

[CheffOfGames]

I'm not even sure what to say here cheff...

What?

 

[Snowy]

Okay, now that I'm at my computer and slightly calming down from the rage... I have a suggestion

First, Leave OC alone. THis game is about building alliance (*cough* and not betraying them, Darth).

Second, I think impose a minimum phase rule... say... 5 phases where the game cannot end. If someone, like Darth, manages to win on turn 2... They silently win, and are asked not to use OC anymore. If players attempt to contact him, act as if he is silenced, or just ignore it.

I'm pretty sure Elementar and myself could have had this figured out by phase 4...

 

[Max1996]

In regards to OC, this idea for v5 hit me earlier today:
The 18 players are divided in 6 groups of 3, randomly chosen. Each has their own Conversation, with no other OC being allowed.

 

[CheffOfGames]

I'm pretty sure Elementar and myself could have had this figured out by phase 4...

If I was certain of everything I was planning on giving it to everyone that wants it.

 

[DarthWolf]

I get afraid that Cheff is working behind my back (at the time he did, hard) so I contact MegaPod12 to start an alliance with him, against Cheff... only to get from him info given to him by Cheff

Afraid of the wrong person.

First, Leave OC alone. THis game is about building alliance (*cough* and not betraying them, Darth).

Faking helps against other possble fakers.
What... This was my thought at the end:
Mewtwo: "Your usefulness has ended."

In regards to OC, this idea for v5 hit me earlier today:
The 18 players are divided in 6 groups of 3, randomly chosen. Each has their own Conversation, with no other OC being allowed.

Random may make it unfair.

 

[Snowy]

Afraid of the wrong person.


Faking helps against other possble fakers.
What... This was my thought at the end:
Mewtwo: "Your usefulness has ended."


Random may make it unfair.

If this was a game where there was a point to deception i might understand. But i just don't

 

[MegaPod]

I can understand deception. But I do think OC was terribly abused...

 

[DarthWolf]

If this was a game where there was a point to deception i might understand. But i just don't

You don't understand why I did it?

 

[Snowy]

You don't understand why I did it?

No. As i said, this game isn't about deception. All 18 players can win at the same time with the right circumstances

 

[MegaPod]

No. As i said, this game isn't about deception. All 18 players can win at the same time with the right circumstances

Yeah, but it's a lot less impressive than winning as a group of one to a few. Sort of defeats the point of the game.

 

[Qing'e]

No. As i said, this game isn't about deception. All 18 players can win at the same time with the right circumstances

And
why
should
that
happen?
Cheff and Darth are offline friends, so he at least has some reason to think Darth would let him win as well. Why should Darth care if you, or anyone else wins when he does regardless?

 

[Snowy]

And
why
should
that
happen?

Why shouldn't it?

I see I'm probably the only one that thought of it as a non-mafia game and a problem solving puzzle.

 

[MegaPod]

Why shouldn't it?

I see I'm probably the only one that thought of it as a non-mafia game and a problem solving puzzle.

If we all claimed to each other honestly, then where's the puzzle?

 

[Qing'e]

Why shouldn't it?

I see I'm probably the only one that thought of it as a non-mafia game and a problem solving puzzle.

...It's both (and mafia has a lot of problem-solving elements itself)
It doesn't matter if it's a puzzle, riddle, or whatever, why should anyone care if any other players win or not? I'm afraid to say that in reality, people don't just go out of their way to give things to random others without any reason.
Well, a good deal of people, anyway.

 

[Qing'e]

If we all claimed to each other honestly, then where's the puzzle?

Also this.

 

[MegaPod]

...of course, I am guilty of revealing my type to Cheff and Zexy rather quickly. I suppose I was a bit naïve to do so, even if I did get information out of it like I intended.

 

[Snowy]

It doesn't matter if it's a puzzle, riddle, or whatever, why should anyone care if any other players win or not? I'm afraid to say that in reality, people don't just go out of their way to give things to random others without any reason.

Okay, but that doesn't answer what I am actively trying to figure out here.

Not helping someone win is one thing... You don't have to help someone win, and the example I provided above was just that... an example.

Deliberately providing misinformation in a game of this type just makes absolutely no sense, and I would call it bordering on unsportsmanlike behaviour. That is why I wanted to know Darth's reasoning.

 

[Zexy]

Deliberately providing misinformation in a game of this type just makes absolutely no sense, and I would call it bordering on unsportsmanlike behaviour.

Incorrect. This game is a race; you play to win before anyone else does. Misinforming others may not accelerate your win, but it could slow down the others as they are caught in your lie and make wrong guesses, giving you more time to win before someone else does.

 

[Qing'e]

Okay, but that doesn't answer what I am actively trying to figure out here.

Not helping someone win is one thing... You don't have to help someone win, and the example I provided above was just that... an example.

Deliberately providing misinformation in a game of this type just makes absolutely no sense, and I would call it bordering on unsportsmanlike behaviour. That is why I wanted to know Darth's reasoning.

Because when Darth provided that misinformation, Cheff was about to win (due to over half the game handing info to him), and he decided he wanted to win alone. Cheff has a right to be annoyed about that since they're good friends. You or anyone else wouldn't and don't, and that's the point. There are few free things in life.

 

[MegaPod]

Exactly what Zexy said. Darth gives Cheff the wrong idea about his type, Darth wins before Cheff can. I kept stuff from my "allies", too, just in case.