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Wait I was thinking zodiac ... Ignore meThere is our player 13, indep for sure, unless indep cc, not sure about the role though.
Anyway, my thoughts still stand.
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Wait I was thinking zodiac ... Ignore meThere is our player 13, indep for sure, unless indep cc, not sure about the role though.
Obligatory D1 Miller claim.
@MegaPod I didn't get pinged for some reason.
Wow this game got serious quick. HD's claim can be checked pretty easily if we have an alignment cop out there so I'll trust it for now. Ditto for Pika's miller claim since that's normal course of action for millers.
There is our player 13, indep for sure, unless indep cc, not sure about the role though.
Not sure about last time but yes it worked.
Not everyone likes joke voting HD
@HumanDawn, will you be helping scumhunt?
jd's post seems a little off. They suggest a cop check on an independent, which seems like a waste to me. HD is almost certainly an indep, but that won't say whether they're harmful or not.
VOTE: jdthebud
Do you think it's useful if we use a cop check on HD?
I'm an Independent Survivor and need to make it to Endgame to win.
Why have I claimed? Because there's no way in hell I'm going to make it to Endgame alive. If I'm too quiet, I get suspected to be a PR and maybe get nightkilled, if I'm too loud, same thing. If I'm on the middle ground or I am a little quiet, I might be thought of as Mafia and thus get some votes that may get me lynched. Both teams benefit from my claim in that the Mafia will not waste an NK/RBlock/RCop/etc. on them and neither will Town waste a lynch or PR on me. That said, I know that Indepentent = Serial Killer/Cult but I'm neither of those, and if the fear of me being either of them is fear enough to get me lynched, then so be it, because I seriously doubt I would have been able to win either way like I already explained. It's your call if it nets you a safe lynch this Day Phase.
You know I don't trust D1 claims, especially claims made for no real reason...Obligatory D1 Miller claim.
Reasons why, please.Well that was fast. Unless countered it seems honest.
We've just been burned two games in a row by fake survivor claims.I'm an Independent Survivor and need to make it to Endgame to win.
Why have I claimed? Because there's no way in hell I'm going to make it to Endgame alive. If I'm too quiet, I get suspected to be a PR and maybe get nightkilled, if I'm too loud, same thing. If I'm on the middle ground or I am a little quiet, I might be thought of as Mafia and thus get some votes that may get me lynched. Both teams benefit from my claim in that the Mafia will not waste an NK/RBlock/RCop/etc. on them and neither will Town waste a lynch or PR on me. That said, I know that Indepentent = Serial Killer/Cult but I'm neither of those, and if the fear of me being either of them is fear enough to get me lynched, then so be it, because I seriously doubt I would have been able to win either way like I already explained. It's your call if it nets you a safe lynch this Day Phase.
I try to, but you're too loud. Let me sleep.Wait I was thinking zodiac ... Ignore me
Anyway, my thoughts still stand.
Didn't you just claim survivor and don't care if town votes or not?Why have none of you voted yet? It's not that hard Vote: Darthwolf.
Eh... I could go either way on that. If HD is an indep, we'd be wasting our time on a player that doesn't matter... Cop checks on Indeps don't tell us if they're hostile or not.Not everyone likes joke voting HD
The two claims seem believeable tbh. Looks like normal HD, and I expect Pika to be truthful in this situation. @HumanDawn, will you be helping scumhunt?
jd's post seems a little off. They suggest a cop check on an independent, which seems like a waste to me. HD is almost certainly an indep, but that won't say whether they're harmful or not.
VOTE: jdthebud
Do you think it's useful if we use a cop check on HD?
... Okay then.I actually thought the same thing.
UNVOTE: Darthwolf
VOTE: Jdthebud
We've just been burned two games in a row by fake survivor claims.
Vote: HumanDawn
Didn't you just claim survivor and don't care if town votes or not?
I agree with the jdthebud votes, but I don't think it's necessary at this point in the game to add my vote there.
Claiming miller right off the bat is always a towny move but in a role madness, bastard game like this - are you just a miller or are you withholding some other type of ability? I mean, it's okay if you are - I'm not asking you to claim the other ability - but if you're contending you're just a miller that seems really unlikely. Impossible even.Pika_pika42 said:Obligatory D1 Miller claim.
Willing to go with this for now, however, if we start to see two kills without reasonable explanation then you're on the chopping block buddy.HumanDawn said:I'm an Independent Survivor and need to make it to Endgame to win.
Claiming miller right off the bat is always a towny move but in a role madness, bastard game like this - are you just a miller or are you withholding some other type of ability? I mean, it's okay if you are - I'm not asking you to claim the other ability - but if you're contending you're just a miller that seems really unlikely. Impossible even.
Willing to go with this for now, however, if we start to see two kills without reasonable explanation then you're on the chopping block buddy.
Why does that seem so unlikely? A game that just finished was a Bastard game and it still had conventional roles which don't contribute to a Bastard game. That said, we did have a Miller or two recently that had an additional role on them. I think it makes sense that if, say, Pika_Pika was some Town Double Voter Miller, that they would hide it and only say that they're a Miller.
Just a miller though? It seems far-fetched to me. Like you've just suggested, I'd be more willing to trust it if, say, he were something like a double-voter or secret voter with it. It'd amp up the possibility, definitely.Why does that seem so unlikely? A game that just finished was a Bastard game and it still had conventional roles which don't contribute to a Bastard game. That said, we did have a Miller or two recently that had an additional role on them. I think it makes sense that if, say, Pika_Pika was some Town Double Voter Miller, that they would hide it and only say that they're a Miller.
Okay so there are multiple possibilities as to why two deaths could occur during a night - but either way, yes, contending there are three mafia (that does seem likely in a game of this size), I've got my eye on you...That shouldn't be the case unless a Vigilante/Bomb/Paranoid Gun Owner...shows up. Either way, if 3 Mafia (i'm assuming there's 3 Mafia) are dead and I'm still alive, you know who to go for...
Because being only a miller doesn't make sense to me. This is a role madness game, and I just don't see that being likely. I highly doubt my bringing this up has done anything as he could ignore my questioning - it's not going to garner him any votes - but he's already brought 'attention' onto himself, technically, by claiming. Everyone knows that miller is automatically town, and thereby, the most trustworthy role. I don't have some outside knowledge that could prove that I'm right with my suspicion, so either he confirms or denies it and that's that.Actually, I don't know why Feenie is prying on this or even bringing it up. If she suspects that they have an additional role, why not let Pika_Pika have no attention brought up to him and use their hidden role to the Town's advantage? By putting attention on a second potential role, the Mafia is now more wary of a potential one and may see him as more of a threat.
Because being only a miller doesn't make sense to me. This is a role madness game, and I just don't see that being likely. I highly doubt my bringing this up has done anything as he could ignore my questioning - it's not going to garner him any votes - but he's already brought 'attention' onto himself, technically, by claiming. Everyone knows that miller is automatically town, and thereby, the most trustworthy role. I don't have some outside knowledge that could prove that I'm right with my suspicion, so either he confirms or denies it and that's that.
You said it yourself, they're likely telling the truth, so why are you trying to dig out a claim out of what they're saying?
Claiming miller right off the bat is always a towny move but in a role madness, bastard game like this - are you just a miller or are you withholding some other type of ability? I mean, it's okay if you are - I'm not asking you to claim the other ability - but if you're contending you're just a miller that seems really unlikely. Impossible even.
I didn't claim thinking who would trust me or not. I claimed because I believe claiming early is the optimal play for Miller as it reduces confusion and misunderstandings later on, avoiding a probable mislynch.You know I don't trust D1 claims, especially claims made for no real reason...
Why did you write this? Looks like exact mirroring of Elementar's post which you quoted above this.Eh... I could go either way on that. If HD is an indep, we'd be wasting our time on a player that doesn't matter... Cop checks on Indeps don't tell us if they're hostile or not.
Claiming Miller early is a towny move, claiming your entire role isn't. Why should we provide any extra information to the Mafia?Claiming miller right off the bat is always a towny move but in a role madness, bastard game like this - are you just a miller or are you withholding some other type of ability? I mean, it's okay if you are - I'm not asking you to claim the other ability - but if you're contending you're just a miller that seems really unlikely. Impossible even.
Well since you put it that way, it does sound really impulsive. Dropping the subject would probably be a good idea, but I'm glad you at least see what I was saying because it did make sense in my head (obviously otherwise I wouldn't have been arguing it). I don't feel strongly enough about it to vote Pika_pika, no. It was a thought I had and questioning seemed like the right thing to do.You don't seem to understand what I mean - I am saying that while you're right in thinking what you're thinking, you don't need to put attention to it because it makes the Mafia think that the Miller is more of a potential threat instead of a confirmed role. You could argue that it's what they're already thinking, but if that then turned out to be the case, by pointing it out, you're giving them validation being someone outside of their alignment thinking the same possible thing. You said it yourself, they're likely telling the truth, so why are you trying to dig out a claim out of what they're saying? I'm not saying you're Mafia for it, but I think it's reckless. You have to be careful enough to not show all your cards to the enemy. You can show them more safely when you feel it's more important to, after all, you did not vote Pika_Pika for not hinting that they have a second role, so you aren't really doing anything with the thought other than telling the Mafia.
I was genuinely curious and that's really all I can say. I never said I didn't believe your miller claim - in fact, I do believe it - I just said I thought it was unlikely to be only a miller. I don't think I'm wrong in thinking so. This is role madness and bastard. I know I sound like a broken record.I can see only 2 scenarios.
1) You believe my Miller claim but want to know whether there's anything more to my role.
But why would you be so curious about it?
2) You don't believe my Miller claim or think it's fake but don't explicitly say so.
I don't really understand your motive behind that post and I think you deserve a vote for that.
Vote: Feenie
Ok so the 1st scenario where you believe my claim but are curious to know if there's any additional role/ability with it.I was genuinely curious and that's really all I can say. I never said I didn't believe your miller claim - in fact, I do believe it - I just said I thought it was unlikely to be only a miller. I don't think I'm wrong in thinking so. This is role madness and bastard. I know I sound like a broken record.
This looks like setting up a trap. If you wanted me to ignore your question, you wouldn't have asked it in the first place.Because being only a miller doesn't make sense to me. This is a role madness game, and I just don't see that being likely. I highly doubt my bringing this up has done anything as he could ignore my questioning - it's not going to garner him any votes - but he's already brought 'attention' onto himself, technically, by claiming. Everyone knows that miller is automatically town, and thereby, the most trustworthy role. I don't have some outside knowledge that could prove that I'm right with my suspicion, so either he confirms or denies it and that's that.