Chillian
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that's not a slip, that's just like
human error, I guess. A slip, as I see them, is really, really rare.
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that's not a slip, that's just like
human error, I guess. A slip, as I see them, is really, really rare.
LG, that you?
After the possibility of a lie detector has been brought up, you refrain from answering this question. Of course on one would say they are scum, but by avoiding answering the question you are also avoiding being checked by the potential lie detector. I find this to be quite suspicious. I've got my eye on your heads.
yall got me convinced on ZMS. i feel bad for voting for sms day 1 twice in a row so i've been hesitant to vote for him but my partner thinks they're a good lynch, and bok's post got me on the decision.
Vote: ZMS
different how?
Did a brief look-see through ZMS' posts. Here's the stuff that caught my eye, though there is more stuff in there.
I just went through about ten pages of what could only be described as shitposting, barely anything worthwhile at all, my brain has been turned to mush from all this information overload everytime I get to the thread.
This is the largest game I've been in, I can hardly keep up with all these posts, let alone trying to filter all the crap out.
I'm inclined to vote for anyone that's made three short posts in a row that could've simply compiled it all into one message just so I don't have to keep dealing with a whole page with two Hydra's posting several posts in a row
UNVOTE: Lone Wolf
VOTE: Zinn Mask Salesman
Discussed this with the other head, and we seem to be in agreement that ZMS is a better use of our vote, for reasons we've already stated before (the ISO on ZMS's posts being a large portion of posts not useful at all to actually scumhunting, the strange way of asking for other players' suspects while providing the absolute bare minimum of thoughts on their own, they may be going for an easy mislynch if S&N is actually town - which I personally am starting to feel might be the case given that self-vote and how it tends to happen on Bulba and some of the posts actually feel genuine to me, like the one when the other head on that hydra came in to unvote their self - and I still am not a fan at all on how flippant ZMS was about reading D1 content and the way they brushed actually forming reads aside for so long, despite the fact that there was absolutely NOT just baseless shade and shitposting in the first 10 pages; mafia is more likely to want to put off getting information on the table).
Yikes, that was the longest parentheses text of my life. Basically, ZMS = most scummy. Lone Wolf at least seems more willing to come in here and try to work with the thread, which is a little bit better of a look than a lot of ZMS's content.
This feels sheepy to me. They don't give any further reasoning on their vote past citing a couple of sources, one of them being their partner. Now that the ball is starting to roll on this lynch I think that this vote, as well as S&N's vote, are things to keep in mind after we get the information from the roll flip.
Not the one who posted that, but I do agree with the post you quoted that the flip regardless will cause sheepy votes to be important to look at, whether if ZMS flipped town (and scum may have wanted to hop on to a wagon that led to a mislynch while trying to blend in, like a path of least resistance) or if ZMS flipped scum (which I think is much more likely, hence the vote, and there would most likely be mafia partners wanting to get some town-cred by looking like they helped lynch scum). A flip in any alignment always helps to contextualize the votes and the progression that led up to them, I guess is what I'm trying to say here.
But are you Town though?
These questions are kinda silly, are you expecting someone is going to say "I'm Mafia" or something?
I guess I like this role, I can't speak for my partner though, this question is also strange, why get the opinion of a single hydra or do you expect both partners to reply?
Oh snap, I legitimately missed that they avoided question one ZMS you (two-headed) sneaky snake!
If this were the case, I'd be voting Lone Wolf, lol.
Can I double like this post
Zinn Mask Salesman: They've not really contributed a lot of meaningful content. Especially their most recent posts complaining about the multi-posts which, while somewhat understandable, don’t help anybody at all.
We're in a weird position because our heads are at a kind of loggerheads over who to vote. I think ZMS is worth the vote, but the other head is sympathetic to their plight. Whereas they're not liking sunspear because they feel like they're dodging questions, but I see quality Town posts from them.
Let's remember that this is a Hydra game. It's legitimately possible that this head legitimately hasn't seen half of the stuff going on.
As it is, I'm not comfortable with a coin flip, especially if one option is S&N, who both of my heads have a good opinion on. I know my other head wasn't a fan of lynching ZMS, but I've been on the "lynch them" side for a while now, and I personally don't want to see S&N go.
Unovte (pretty sure we didn't have one anyway, but never hurts to be sure)
Vote: ZinnMaskSalesman
Something about this doesn't feel right with me. Like they're just following the whims of everyone else. I know I promised I'd reread LW next, but they're on my list now.
But you didn't vote for your apparent one scumread until people pushed you to. You're not sheeping, but you're still breaking under even the lightest of pressure. It doesn't feel right.
It's not a given that I'll stay on that vote anyway. If someone cracks and roleclsoms and it doesn't add up, I'll be changing my vote anyway. That happens a lot on Day 1.
I'm not saying you are going to stay here. But the fact that you waited to vote until after people pressured you to just doesn't sit right. It's all I'm saying.
As for RR's question, in order of scummiest to slightly less scummy:
- S&N
- ZMS
- Decent gap
- ddi
I want to pick at this, why is asking someone to come up with reasons to not vote for them bad?I don't like this. "Come up with a reason for why I should not vote you"
I want to pick at this, why is asking someone to come up with reasons to not vote for them bad?
this feels over-explain-y which I tend to associate with mafiathesunspear: As far as I can remember I've only ever seen both of these players play as Town roles in the past, and so far in this game I haven't noticed anything off about either so with that logic I suppose they would be Town in this game too. But of course I haven't seen their scum play so I don't know what that would look like anyway. And then there's the fact that they were also on the S&N wagon yesterday, which I personally cannot ignore. Leaning slightly Scum.
isn't it also a good way to pressure someone?It's an easy maneuver to make when they're scum together
isn't it also a good way to pressure someone?
this feels over-explain-y which I tend to associate with mafia
Zinn Mask Salesman – posted 3 times. Only talked about Lone Wolf’s question about our alignments. I am not a huge fan of these questions either, any mass-claiming exercise on day one can make the game too easy. But I’m not questioning the effectiveness of this. To the contrary, if there is a lie detector, it’s a great town move (just not a fun one). ZinnMS questioning the effectiveness of this seems very scummy. They have neither contributed to anything else in this game so far.
I haven't been posting because it's day one and you can only get so far by saying "that person posts funny"
Regarding Aflame's reads, active = town, not active = mafia? Nice logic, I've seen plenty of super active Mafia, that end up becoming claimed as undeniable town because they took control of reads and the like, and I've seen plenty of inactive town that fail at their jobs and skip night actions, it takes both.
Otherwise I don't really have anything else to say, there's nothing interesting going on until the next day when people have thrown some night actions around and we can actually comment on more substantial information.
I've just seen nothing but shade being thrown around.
~Zinn
I agree on your argument against activity (as I also pointed out earlier). Contribution and willingness to confront others, however, is different.
With 14 pages, I cannot imagine there is nothing else to say...
Officer here, I can see why the reads list is heavily realiant on activity, but I think koki brings good points up about people, I can see why ZMS replied to a read that put them as scum but I'm slightly suspicious that they have no thoughts on the rest of the game, and might be deadweight for the rest of this phrase since they feel as though nothing interesting is going on feels like a cop out. I discuss with my head on the best option to go forward with. Scumlord's answers weren't the best, since it was lazy spy replying not constrainer who made the reads, still not satisfied with it.
Apologies for the many posts and the confusion. We had a bit of an internal misunderstanding of who we wanted to vote for.
Personally I feel like Scumlord deserves to die. Any implosion should not be rewarded. But in all honesty, mafia members rarely implode... Lynching probably wouldn’t do more than to set an example.
Thus, I prefer to lynch ZMS. He’s already been at the top of my scumlist for ages. We just agreed internally that we’ll go for ZMS. So we’re going to change our vote.
I’m using my phone right now so I won’t go in more details for now, I already explained my suspicions against them in previous posts. Just posting this to fix a misunderstanding. (Koki)
Unvote: Scumlord and Noobs
Vote: Zinn Mask Salesman
Because I (Koki) severely dislike self-voting implosions. They are usually town, but my hands itch to lynch them. Even if only to discourage maffiosi from doing the same because they too will otherwise receive a free pass when faking such an implosion if we now let S&N get away with it. In ZD, this happened a lot in the past. Townies under pressure would eventually always crack and would then be exempt from any accusations because we all knew they would be town, and they always were. But that is a horrible tactic to save yourself at the end. You should save yourself using evidence, not by self-voting and last-minute claiming. Plus, if maffia knows that anyone who does that gets away with it, it's a nice insentive to do the same.
I do would not fight for S&N's survival, if he is the only alternative, I can live with that. But my mind tells me to go for someone who is actually likely to be scum (ZMS). S&N would be more of a symbolic lynch.
I can't tell if you're trolling or if you're serious...
@Restless_Ridge this is better than zms i think
Actually maybe just neither claim tbh, is zms on rn?
This is just wrong as mafia need to have town reads to blend in. The game isn't going to be solved by lynching the people who aren't putting in effort. You are essentially town reading someone based on activity. Find better reasons to town read someone pleaseHydreigon & Shelgon GX: They brought up my early accusation on ZMS as a reason to potentially town read us. If they were Mafia I feel like they wouldn't have gone through that much trouble just to "clear" us. Especially considering our rather low activity, we could have probably been rather easy targets, but instead they went out of their way to bring back the post where I started suspecting ZMS. Leaning Town.
Which points? Also, isn't it more fair to say that Aflame is making an obsessive accusation on T&H? Also also, can you really call T&H's actions "desperate and obsessive" when they are quite calmly refuting the claims Aflame makes? Also also also, how certain are you that a wolf's desperation would even show? I thought this game was about lying to people, guess I screwed that up too. I guess you're right that this isn't a read list cause it's very, what's the word, I want a word that's basically imagery of a fish flopping out of water. It's floppy.Tommy and Hal: I find myself agreeing with a lot of the points that have been brought up against T&H. Additionally I fail to understand where they're coming from with their accusation on Aflame. It seems kind of desperate and obsessive in a way. A Mafioso who just lost their Godfather on day 1 would be pretty desperate I reckon, so I wouldn't rule that possibility out. They were also on the S&N wagon, which looks rather bad after all the flips. Leaning Scum.
bull, they're the second highest poster in the game and they pushed pretty hard for the ZMS lynch. This feels borderline intentional.Restless_Ridge: This is probably the one account that's been the hardest for me to get a read on so far. I got nothing.
why is it scummy to be on the S&N wagon? From your point of view there have to be townies on the S&N wagon; why do you scum read everyone on it?leetic and the band: I like what they're doing right now with analysing ZMS's interactions with all of the various players. But on the other hand they were also on the S&N wagon, which in my opinion is somewhat scummy in and of itself. Of course it's not condemning in any way, but it also doesn't make them lean Town for me. They're probably somewhere in the middle.
you only have one candidate this point into the game? why not just vote them?
@Restless_Ridge Please man, make use the of multiquote button, I don't want to have to sift through like 10 posts of yours in a row
these are the last two posts you have made. these are complaints on my posting style and i dont understand why you're not contributing anything else. do you have anything else to contribute outside of a push on scumlords? any townreads?
i dont actually townread ZMS but their wagon built waaaaaay tooooo quickly with questionable votes from questionable people but maybe it's another fenrir situation hal @Tommy and Hal
where tf is zms
you dont get tonal reads at all? are associations your only way of gaining reads?
i dont actually agree with the latter part; you're very egregious and that's really not the case of your hydra not meshing well or something
regardless @Zinn Mask Salesman should probably be claiming if they're going to be around closer to dl since it seems like the lynch has been consolidated on
@Tommy and Hal we should probably join one of zms/scumlords
Response to ZMS asking for people to post reads, and the first real interaction.
...oh
starting with you, right?
Debates ZMS over his questionable read on S&N. This goes on for some time.if they are not trying to attract much attention why would they post such a terrible unsolicited reads list?
Overall, enough for distancing but not enough to put ZMS in real danger.I could see that. We've already talked about the read list, can you point to some other posts they made that fit this "CWACing badly" hypothesis?
Calls ZMS for not having any real reads... like everyone else was doingthe important thing is have you developed any reads beyond that of S&N?
I don't think I support lynching ZMS, that response to votes felt more pure than not
-Sunfan
Meta read on sms says no. Don't know how much Zinn vs sms have been posting but the "lynch me if you want" attitude I would say is more likely to be town sms. I agree that they aren't a bad lynch but S&N is just the better lynch for all the same reasons.