Mafia Tokyo Ghoul Mafia - Game End (05/05/2019)

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

Not sure if yer putting words in my mouth or if I explained it really badly twice.

You actually said that, and it was a few pages back before I saw that you admitted to fakeclaiming. I would never tamper with quoted text, I'm shrugging it off, but for most people they wouldn't be able to take such an accusation lightly.

 

[ExLight]

You actually said that, and it was a few pages back before I saw that you admitted to fakeclaiming. I would never tamper with quoted text, I'm shrugging it off, but for most people they wouldn't be able to take such an accusation lightly.

You're doing it again, I said nothing about you tampering my quote

It was an Innocent Child claim, it clearly meant a modconfirm to everyone.
Why wouldn't I know my alignment?

 

[Mellow Ezlo]

I wanted to say something about Calvin being scumread for the wrong reasons, but then the day ended before I was expecting it to. Sorry, though if I'm being honest, that wasn't a very good Day 1 in general. That's one of the problems I have with claiming early, we were fixated on the claims for most of the day and the lack of activity hurt us.

That being said, Space's vote on Calvin looks a little suspect to me, though it's very possible that that's simply due to me disagreeing with the reasons for scumreading him. I need to read the first part of Day 1 again because I kind of skimmed it before since I was having a hard time differentiating between what was serious and what wasn't.

As far as Ereshkigal's vote goes, his/her (idk anybody's gender here ) point of view is not really AI, but looks pretty good to me rit now because it's a viewpoint I support in general.

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

You're doing it again, I said nothing about you tampering my quote

You implied it by saying I put words in your mouth, like you didn't actually weite what I quoted. But whatever, this isn't even game related at this point, and I have no resentment.

 

[Jinjo]

So apparently the day ended when I was asleep and saw Calvin had 2 votes and Deku 1 vote. I don't often see a scum get lynched on d1 and I start to wonder if all the players who voted were paranoid townies or if there was actually a scum who voted for either Calvin or Deku.

 

[Ereshkigal]

The D1 vote totals had a joke vote, a vote to avoid no-lynch, and a total of one serious vote.

I think the only useful information we got out of D1 is Calvin's role flip, ExLight double votes, and a new rule. Not anywhere near enough for anyone to use.

 

[Feenie]

and I intended to keep it us as long as possible, I didn't want to get in the way of town; it's a role that gets more and more suspicious over time, there's really no reason for a scum to claim that. Claiming something like that should've increased, even if a little bit, the chances of hittin' scum.

But being a double voter and all, unless you figured you weren't going to vote anytime soon... didn't you think your cover would be blown fairly quickly? The plan just comes off as suspicious to me. And I apologize if my previous post came off as aggressive, definitely wasn't my attention.

That's one of the problems I have with claiming early, we were fixated on the claims for most of the day and the lack of activity hurt us.

The lack of activity is what hurt us (if we're going to blame something), not the fixation on claims. At the very least the fixation on claims brought about some activity. It sort of generated the discussion. And claims are worth looking into, as well.

 

[Almonds]

So apparently the day ended when I was asleep and saw Calvin had 2 votes and Deku 1 vote. I don't often see a scum get lynched on d1 and I start to wonder if all the players who voted were paranoid townies or if there was actually a scum who voted for either Calvin or Deku.

Not paranoid and not scum :3

 

[Feenie]

I don't want to overread and kill a bunch of Town unnecessarily, either.

There isn't any good reason for this vote. To be honest, there's not a good reason to vote anyone today.

While I get your point in why you voted, this seems contradictory.

 

[Ereshkigal]

While I get your point in why you voted, this seems contradictory.

It is contradictory. But we needed a chance at gaining some information. Unfortunately, with how Day 1 progressed that was the best option.

 

[ExLight]

So apparently the day ended when I was asleep and saw Calvin had 2 votes and Deku 1 vote. I don't often see a scum get lynched on d1 and I start to wonder if all the players who voted were paranoid townies or if there was actually a scum who voted for either Calvin or Deku.

I can't see a reason for scum to change the lynch unless Deku was one. Giving the odds of that, I'm guessing they were just paranoid townies with a day one lynch philosophy.

Not paranoid and not scum :3

Why not remove the joke vote?

But being a double voter and all, unless you figured you weren't going to vote anytime soon... didn't you think your cover would be blown fairly quickly? The plan just comes off as suspicious to me.

Oof, yea. As I said I didn't expect it to appear in the vote count, I thought it was going to be, like, only the names of the voters or something. My plan was busted as soon as I saw it in there
After finding out that it happened like that I intended to do some trick stuff to buy me some days, like pretend I was too busy to vote or not bold the vote so it wouldn't be counted, that would hide my power and give me some extra time

 

[Ereshkigal]

I can't see a reason for scum to change the lynch unless Deku was one. Giving the odds of that, I'm guessing they were just paranoid townies with a day one lynch philosophy.

One other thing: Check the rules. A tie of one vote each is a no-lynch. If Deku was scum, there was no reason to change the vote anyway; he wasn't going to be lynched unless Space unvoted, and Space was the only serious vote.

 

[ExLight]

One other thing: Check the rules. A tie of one vote each is a no-lynch. If Deku was scum, there was no reason to change the vote anyway; he wasn't going to be lynched unless Space unvoted, and Space was the only serious vote.

I know it does. What I meant is: to scum, lynching a town is always better than a no lynch, right? If Deku was a scum they wouldn't vote him, they'd go for the second option.
I'm not accusing anyone, just saying it's a possibility. But as I said your actions came off to me as a day one lynch individual philosophy.

And I apologize if my previous post came off as aggressive, definitely wasn't my attention.

spank me harder Hajime-kun

I wanted to say something about Calvin being scumread for the wrong reasons, but then the day ended before I was expecting it to. Sorry, though if I'm being honest, that wasn't a very good Day 1 in general. That's one of the problems I have with claiming early, we were fixated on the claims for most of the day and the lack of activity hurt us.

I mean, both claims were prolly lies, and the point of one of at least one of them was to cause some activity.
I think most of players actually got thrown off by the day ending earlier and didn't really try to gather enough til the deadline. It prolly ended on an early morning to most of the players which ain't the best optimal time, twas pretty much half the expected time.
x)

As far as Ereshkigal's vote goes, his/her (idk anybody's gender here ) point of view is not really AI, but looks pretty good to me rit now because it's a viewpoint I support in general.

AI?

 

[Ereshkigal]

I know it does. What I meant is: to scum, lynching a town is always better than a no lynch, right? If Deku was a scum they wouldn't vote him, they'd go for the second option.

I actually disagree. What the scum need most is creating confusion, distrust, and misinformation. A Day 1 Town lynch can easily work against scum because it gives Town information and helps provide some basis for comparison of actions earlier than the scum can necessarily counter. A lynch with few votes also gives another disadvantage: If anyone thinks to check the voters, having few options makes it amazingly easy to narrow down any scum members.

In this particular case, a Day 1 Town lynch was to the extreme disadvantage of scum to vote for. With only 3 votes, if you're looking for a scum member among those who voted you have a very high chance of confirming who they are rapidly. As such, it would be dumb for scum to have voted.

Thus, for me, this clears Space and Kyriaki as Town.

If anything, I think this gave Town quite an advantage in a way. With your double vote and Calvin's flip, I think we've taken a list of 12 people and narrowed it down to 7 suspects in one phase.

Jinjo I suspect is Town. She's playing similarly to how I have seen her play Town in the past.

Therefore, I think the suspect list is as follows:

Feenie
AussieEevee
Deku Nut
Space
Mellow Ezlo
Spiritual Mask Salesman

I fully believe we can have this narrowed down to 4 suspects halfway through Day 2 and eliminate the scum with ease.

 

[ExLight]

Thus, for me, this clears Space and Kyriaki as Town.

(...)

Therefore, I think the suspect list is as follows:

Feenie
AussieEevee
Deku Nut
Space
Mellow Ezlo
Spiritual Mask Salesman

Didn't you just cross Space out? yikes
That should make it 5 suspects total already, nice.

I'm not sure if I trust Kyriaki, they had many chances to remove/change the joke vote and to provide some kind of insight but clearly avoided doing so intentionally. Do they usually play this carefreely?

I was hoping for Mellow Ezlo to not point out the Double Voter, but I guess it is something anyone one no matter if they're town or scum. Especially when we're needing information. He did mention having an additional ability to his role, this isn't common to mafia roles, is it?

 

[Ereshkigal]

Didn't you just cross Space out? yikes
That should make it 5 suspects total already, nice.

I meant to post LazySpy instead. My bad. Still 6, though.

I'm not sure if I trust Kyriaki, they had many chances to remove/change the joke vote and to provide some kind of insight but clearly avoided doing so intentionally. Do they usually play this carefreely?

To be honest? I'm only crossing them out because if they were scum, that would be the worst play possible. We're probably looking at a Jester trying to get lynched.

I was hoping for Mellow Ezlo to not point out the Double Voter, but I guess it is something anyone one no matter if they're town or scum. Especially when we're needing information. He did mention having an additional ability to his role, this isn't common to mafia roles, is it?

It can be on here, depending on the game set-up. If it's something like Restless Spirit, it's not uncommon to have a secondary ability.

 

[ExLight]

*anyone would do no matter
*to scum roles

 

[Almonds]

Why not remove the joke vote?

It's best to have a lynch Day 1 and I didn't want to remove the vote just in case the game update when I wasn't looking. What if everyone decided to unvote for some reason and nobody ended up lynched?

Thus, for me, this clears Space and Kyriaki as Town.

Ereshkigal is town.

I'm not sure if I trust Kyriaki, they had many chances to remove/change the joke vote and to provide some kind of insight but clearly avoided doing so intentionally. Do they usually play this carefreely?

As I said, there's every reason to keep the vote, even if it started out as a joke vote. By the end of the phase, the vote serves a purpose.

To be honest? I'm only crossing them out because if they were scum, that would be the worst play possible. We're probably looking at a Jester trying to get lynched.

If you truly think I'm Jester, then why did you not vote me? Wouldn't it have been better to lynch a Jester, give the Jester the win and get the Jester out of the way early as possible?
Also, I'm talking hypothetically because I'm not Jester.

 

[Ereshkigal]

If you truly think I'm Jester, then why did you not vote me? Wouldn't it have been better to lynch a Jester, give the Jester the win and get the Jester out of the way early as possible?
Also, I'm talking hypothetically because I'm not Jester.

It would have resulted in a no-lynch. Voting to guarantee a lynch was the better option. And, if you were Jester, we could always lynch you on Day 2.

 

[Mellow Ezlo]

spank me harder Hajime-kun

I mean, both claims were prolly lies, and the point of one of at least one of them was to cause some activity.
I think most of players actually got thrown off by the day ending earlier and didn't really try to gather enough til the deadline. It prolly ended on an early morning to most of the players which ain't the best optimal time, twas pretty much half the expected time.
x)

What makes you think LazySpy was lying?

AI?

AI stands for "alignment indicative" while NAI stands for "non alignment indicative".

Ereshkigal is town.

Are you town reading Ereshkigal just because they're townreading you?

If you truly think I'm Jester, then why did you not vote me? Wouldn't it have been better to lynch a Jester, give the Jester the win and get the Jester out of the way early as possible?
Also, I'm talking hypothetically because I'm not Jester.

This isn't really important, but I'm pretty sure they were referring to DekuNut.