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Vermont legalized gay marriage

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TTEchidna said:
You gave the reasoning that marriage is in and of itself a religious act. That because it's important to a religion, it should be left to that religion.
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I honestly wasn't implying anything, I was just putting in my two cents on the matter.
 
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Edo-kun said:
Jesus came back from the dead. Therefore, he was a zombie. Zombie-ism isn't a disease, dammit, it's a condition! *shot*

EDIT: He was also a ninja. He walked on water. *runs*
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I'm gonna go to hell for saying this but zombie ninja Jesus sounds incredibly awesome.
 
That's Zombie Ninja COMMIE Jesus to you.
 
GrnMarvl13 said:
It's His will.
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Ah, the ultimate answer when no one has any freakin' idea. XD

Ah, well, I stand by my stance. A zombie is not someone infected with a disease that gives them zombie-like qualities (ie shuffling, a taste for brains, and so on). A zombie is someone who was dead, and then came back from the dead.
 
Ok let's get back on topic here...=|

I still need to watch that video linked to me earlier...But I believe that "marriage" rights should at the very least be equal to Civil Unions...It's usually not. So to skirt around the issue of naming it...just do that so we can get the crazy wing-nuts to stop shouting.

I know I'll get blasted with the "Separate but Equal" argument...but it's just to get some consensus here.
 
That's what I've felt. Gay couples just want the same rights as married couples, while many people don't want the term "marriage" to apply to something that isn't traditionally considered a marriage. Why not just compromise and call it a civil union, but give it the same rights as a marriage?
 
Edo-kun said:
Ah, the ultimate answer when no one has any freakin' idea. XD

Ah, well, I stand by my stance. A zombie is not someone infected with a disease that gives them zombie-like qualities (ie shuffling, a taste for brains, and so on). A zombie is someone who was dead, and then came back from the dead.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie

A zombie is a creature that appears in folklore and popular culture typically as a reanimated corpse or a mindless human being.

Does that settle it for good?


And yeah. I think the government needs to dispense with marriages and leave "marriage" to the churches. As I told Misty once in chat, when I got Confirmed my junior year in high school, I wasn't confirmed by the state of Indiana, I was confirmed by the Archbishop of Indianapolis. Confirmation is a Catholic sacrament and the state has no business in it. It's the same with marriage. Almost every major religion considers marriage a sacrament of sorts, but how they consider it one varies from group to group (for example, in the Catholic church, it's required to have the ceremony in an actual church, while most Protestant denominations are less strict). The state shouldn't be in the business of providing sacraments, so honestly, EVERYONE should just switch to civil unions and leave the business of what is/isn't marriage to the churches.

Unfortunately, that's too easy, and one of the easiest ways to gain political ground would ultimately be nerfed. And neither side wants that.
 
Jeff said:
That's what I've felt. Gay couples just want the same rights as married couples, while many people don't want the term "marriage" to apply to something that isn't traditionally considered a marriage. Why not just compromise and call it a civil union, but give it the same rights as a marriage?
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But why shouldn't marriage be applied to same-sex people? Religion didn't create marriage, and it marriage isn't exclusive to religion.

Why don't we just do away with the term "marriage" altogether and call everything a civil union? There, problem solved even better because people can't complain about the term anymore. No more marriages, we're only going to have civil unions from now on!
 
Valdez, if this is in response to me, that goes back to what I mentioned about how we should just allow the various religions to decide what constitutes a marriage within their walls and switch state recognition to strictly civil unions (gay or straight). I say this because there are certain denominations that DO recognize gay marriages (and it's unlikely gays are going to be a member of any denomination that refuses to).


If that's in reply to Jeff, then in a way, you added a point I failed to make. Thank you.
 
It was in response to Jeff; I did the Quick Reply instead of the Quote, and when it posted two other people (yourself included) had posted too.
 
Valdez said:
Why don't we just do away with the term "marriage" altogether and call everything a civil union? There, problem solved even better because people can't complain about the term anymore. No more marriages, we're only going to have civil unions from now on!
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That's exactly what I just said! Take the term "civil union" give it the rights that a "marriage" has now, and watch as (almost) everyone is happy. I also like the idea of retaining the term marriage and applying it exclusively to the religious concept.

Honestly, it's getting to the point where people feel a need to disagree with someone in this thread even if they agree with them!
 
The difficulty with that is international recognition.
 
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