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Well, that's my point. HGSS count as Johto games.
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No, we won´t.
Also, Kalos was not exactly abondoned. It was a more complete product than SM is, so it didn´t need an expansion as much. It was also a less open ended plot than BW1 and SM are, so it didn´t leave much room for expanding.
Regarding the few open ended bits Kalos may have left, were expanded upon, and explained in ORAS (Origin of Mega Evolution, Ultimate Weapon, Infinity Energy, etc). And the Zygarde formes were included in SM. Therefore, there is really no reason to revisit Kalos currently, or to call it incomplete.
Zygarde was just shoehorned into Alola for no reason other than "it just showed up to warn you of danger", a reasoning more on par with bonus post game legendaries from past regions than a third version expanding on the legendary's identity and lore
and it wasn't connected to Xerneas and Yveltal in any way, which was its primary reason for powering up to its Complete form.
meanwhile there's still some unsolved mysteries behind XY's lore
What is Project AZOTH?
How do Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde relate to each other
and how are they viewed by the Kalos region?
Where are Xerneas and Yveltal typically found?
Why does Zygarde inhabit Terminus Cave and what is that place's significance?
why does its flower look like the Ultimate Weapon?
I'll agree with you on the fact that Zygarde didn't need its own game to demonstrate this. However, just seeing the Cells and Core scattered around Alola doesn't really tell us much. We know how, but we don't know why it is even in Alola. Even just a few sentences to clarify that it's due to the Ultra Beasts after you're done collecting all the Cores and Cells would have been better than what we got in the end. Perhaps Sina and Dexio could have given us a hypothesis at the end that Zygarde isn't related to Kalos, but rather the ecosystem itself. Heck, I'd settle for an optional cutscene tying in the Zygarde quest with the Ultra Beast quest having it butting heads with Guzzlord (having certain Pokémon in your party triggering some sort of event has been done before).The "expansion" of Zygarde's role is the revelation that it is divided into Cells, and that these Cells cooperate in order to monitor the environment, and defend it by taking on increasingly more powerful forms. If you'll remember, all that XY said was that Zygarde monitors the environment and "reveals its secret power" when things get bad. SM build on that by revealing the unique mechanism of its "secret power." And clearly, a game needn't be set in Kalos in order to illustrate this, nor does a plot need be centered around Zygarde (arguably, it works better if it isn't).
I can honestly see your point with this. The fact that Xerneas and Yveltal sleep a lot probably means that they aren't well known about in the eyes of the Kalos region. I'll concede on the fact that they probably aren't a big enough threat for Zygarde to constantly keep them in check. Still, there are other ways that Game Freak could have explained the connection, at least in terms of how Xerneas and Yveltal relate to each other, like revealing a shared origin of their powers. Heck, for all we know, Xerneas and Yveltal could be agents of Zygarde to keep the ecosystem in check for all we know.They aren't. We know this. They already said in XY that most records of Kalos's Legendary Pokémon are super-old and unhelpfully vague because of Xerneas/Yveltal's nap cycle. Again, if you find this explanation unsatisfying, then that's your prerogative, but they did cover it one way or the other.
So Zygarde doesn't have to do jack about them but every 1000 years maybe, assuming they even go off-rails during that period. And when they're sleeping, Zygarde hangs about in its cave like most Legendary Pokémon and keeps an eye on the rest of the ecosystem. Some miners in Terminus Cave obviously bothered it at some point and thought it was a scary monster, which as far as significance to the region's history goes, is more-or-less where Kyurem was as of BW, and actually more than Giratina or Rayquaza by where they were at in DP and RS. (Which is ironic, seeing as those two were crowbarred into their own respective regions' histories essentially by saying, "lol, the stories were too old and vague so nobody remembered them, but here they are now.")
I think it has to do with the fact that AZ's Floette has its own unique stat distribution programmed in, as well as the signature Light of Ruin which can actually be mentioned as one of the move choices in the one hotel side-quest in Lumiose City (not to mention this move is still in SM's coding, complete with it's own Z-Move base power conversion). If it weren't for that one move being mentioned in-game or having a unique stat distribution programmed in, a lot less people would be complaining/talking about AZ's Floette.What makes that Floette special? I don't know, but the specifics aren't really a big deal. Some Pokémon are just unique. Nobody's fussing about Cosplay Pikachu's tail.
I'll agree with you on the fact that Zygarde didn't need its own game to demonstrate this. However, just seeing the Cells and Core scattered around Alola doesn't really tell us much. We know how, but we don't know why it is even in Alola. Even just a few sentences to clarify that it's due to the Ultra Beasts after you're done collecting all the Cores and Cells would have been better than what we got in the end. Perhaps Sina and Dexio could have given us a hypothesis at the end that Zygarde isn't related to Kalos, but rather the ecosystem itself.
The fact that Xerneas and Yveltal sleep a lot probably means that they aren't well known about in the eyes of the Kalos region.
Still, there are other ways that Game Freak could have explained the connection, at least in terms of how Xerneas and Yveltal relate to each other, like revealing a shared origin of their powers. Heck, for all we know, Xerneas and Yveltal could be agents of Zygarde to keep the ecosystem in check for all we know.
I think it has to do with the fact that AZ's Floette has its own unique stat distribution programmed in, as well as the signature Light of Ruin which can actually be mentioned as one of the move choices in the one hotel side-quest in Lumiose City (not to mention this move is still in SM's coding, complete with it's own Z-Move base power conversion). If it weren't for that one move being mentioned in-game or having a unique stat distribution programmed in, a lot less people would be complaining/talking about AZ's Floette.
Game Freak doesn't remove things from their code the vast majority of the time. there's garbo you can't even possibly obtain in SM period still in it(not to mention this move is still in SM's coding, complete with it's own Z-Move base power conversion).
more like some people can't let goJust when you think that you're done with Kalos, it keeps dragging you back in.
... As cool as it would be to go to another region, I'd prefer it if they use that space to expand on Alola instead. I would rather see one large fleshed out region than trying to squeeze in a second one.
They did expand on Zygarde's lore, you're just not looking at it from the right angle. There's not any big mythical event in Kalos's past that involves Zygarde like, say, the brothers' conflict in Unova. Kalos's history is all about the war, and Mega Evolution. Could Game Freak have somewhere included an expository paragraph about this one time that Xerneas and Yveltal got out of control and Zygarde was forced to intervene and stop them? Yes, but then, yawn. How derivative.
The "expansion" of Zygarde's role is the revelation that it is divided into Cells, and that these Cells cooperate in order to monitor the environment, and defend it by taking on increasingly more powerful forms. If you'll remember, all that XY said was that Zygarde monitors the environment and "reveals its secret power" when things get bad. SM build on that by revealing the unique mechanism of its "secret power." And clearly, a game needn't be set in Kalos in order to illustrate this, nor does a plot need be centered around Zygarde (arguably, it works better if it isn't).
If you don't like that detail, then that's your view, but we undeniably went from a point of knowing only a sentence's worth of detail about Zygarde's behavior, to having an entire unique mechanic and two extra forms to demonstrate it. Zygarde didn't really get shortchanged in any way that actually matters.
Because it is a completely effortless and unrewarding exercise write this story. If one or both of them gets out of hand, Zygarde tells them to pipe down. Zygarde's connection to Xerneas and Yveltal is a narrative dry well that inevitably ends with them plagiarizing Rayquaza. At least by tossing Zygarde into SM, they can still do something functionally unique with it while at the same time developing a different Legendary Pokémon plot that isn't just a hollow rehash of Emerald.
Mysteries that aren't ever actually presented as mysteries, or as things to be resolved. You're just fixating on trivial details.
Not anything to do with XY (it like, wasn't even mentioned in those games...); ORAS state, in plain text, that Project AZOTH is the formal name for Team Magma/Aqua's plan to awaken Groudon/Kyogre.
At least with Necrozma right now, there's not an immediately clear answer as to how it relates to Solgaleo and Lunala.
They aren't. We know this. They already said in XY that most records of Kalos's Legendary Pokémon are super-old and unhelpfully vague because of Xerneas/Yveltal's nap cycle. Again, if you find this explanation unsatisfying, then that's your prerogative, but they did cover it one way or the other.
So Zygarde doesn't have to do jack about them but every 1000 years maybe, assuming they even go off-rails during that period. And when they're sleeping, Zygarde hangs about in its cave like most Legendary Pokémon and keeps an eye on the rest of the ecosystem. Some miners in Terminus Cave obviously bothered it at some point and thought it was a scary monster, which as far as significance to the region's history goes, is more-or-less where Kyurem was as of BW, and actually more than Giratina or Rayquaza by where they were at in DP and RS. (Which is ironic, seeing as those two were crowbarred into their own respective regions' histories essentially by saying, "lol, the stories were too old and vague so nobody remembered them, but here they are now.")
For what it's worth, I never got the feeling that they stayed in any one place. Team Flare say that they were found hibernating in the forest/mountains, which suggests that they don't stay fixed in those places normally, but rather return to them when it's nap time. And the man in Anistar City mentions that they might've been bouncing around the place during AZ's war, either helping or preying on the wounded.
And... we know very well by now that not all Legendary Pokémon remain fixed in one place, so your automatic assumption (and subsequent condemnation of Game Freak for not gratifying the assumption) that Xerneas/Yveltal do is a bit odd.
Why does it need to be significant? Can it not just be a cozy cave? Why did Mewtwo go to Cerulean Cave? Why is Moltres in Victory Road? What's the "significance" of the Flower Paradise other than being remote? Why do the Musketeers dwell in the caves they dwell in?
You've got it the wrong way 'round. The weapon was created after Floette died, and Floette was using that flower during the war. AZ pretty clearly built the weapon in Floette's image. I don't really know why you're trying to force this into being a plot hole, when it is plainly visible that Floette's flower existed before the weapon:
What makes that Floette special? I don't know, but the specifics aren't really a big deal. Some Pokémon are just unique. Nobody's fussing about Cosplay Pikachu's tail.
But that's the thing, pretty much all of the space in Alola is already used. I'm not really seeing how they can really flesh out the region. Exploring a second region (any of them, really) would be much more exciting and would make me actually want the games instantly.
Not saying it's going to happen, not even saying that there's even the smallest chance of it happening, just that it would make these games much more exciting than they are presently shaping up to be. Although I will say that Sun/Moon really did make Kanto being in the post-game reasonable by kind of teasing it. I hate all of the Generation I pandering, but seeing Kanto reimagined would be more exciting than just exploring Alola again, I have to admit.
Plus our trainer randomly going from Hawaii to France would be weird. Unova would make more sense cuz 'murica
NO.
I do not understand the obsession with wanting a past region in the post-game.
An old region reimagined with the new graphical capabilities as well as seeing them in the future as opposed to the last game would be exciting.
That's what remakes are for. Two regions in one game is difficult to balance.