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Re: Do you like how the anime introduces new companions/rivals for Ash in each region
I'm curious.
By the way, Misty also wanted Ash to bypass Cerulean City altogether, and go on to Vermillion... So if there were some kind of set path, how would that even be possible?
Assuming that it is more than 50%, that's still at least, what? Anywhere from 15-25% of experienced trainers with experienced Pokemon? And that's not going to improve her? Compared to, say, Ash, who encounters the occassional trainer, battles TR so often, and hits up only 8 gyms over the course of a long ass journey?
And as for the trainers who actually do begin their journeys in Kanto. Amongst the "more than 50%" who start their journeys in that region as rookies, at least half of them are likely to battle her by the time they've got a lot of skill and experience under their belt, both as trainer and Pokemon. This is especially probable when you consider the fact that Cerulean is one way to get to Viridian and the Indigo Road.
Trainers like Gary aren't rookies, if that's what you're referring to. Look at how well he raised his Pokemon, and what he did to Giovanni's Pokemon--but none of these gym leaders are facing a challenge? Gary was simply strong, and yet he didn't even get out of the 4th round at the Indigo League, implying there were tons more strong trainers who had to go through these gym leaders. While Ash, who wasn't as talented as Gary throughout the first half of his journey, had to rely on various assistance, including coaching from the likes of Brock.
So what rookies are they losing to exactly? And how are they not facing challenges when they've had trainers like Gary and stronger? Everyone who specializes at something has to start somewhere, meaning every trainer's bound to be a rookie at some point. But some of those trainers go on to huge success--so they aren't challenges to GLs? Just about everyone who made it to the Pokemon League were tough trainers.
And going back to the point about what kind of trainers Misty's likely to face: Assuming that Blaine did in fact challenge a mass of rookie competitors, then that would mean that not every rookie starts back at Pewter and Cerulean like you've stated.
By the by, if Brock is in fact so talented, then this again, knocks down your theory that trainers all start at Pewter, or that he's significantly weaker than some of the later gym leaders.
As a gym leader, Misty would encounter tons of trainers coming into her gym, expecting water works, and attacking her with types like Grass, Electric, etc... She'll face any kind of Pokemon coming her way (like Sakura and her Espeon), while she'll be restricting herself to these same types. That's all the practice she needs.
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To summarize on some points hit...
- Gym Leaders aren't weak. They're tests.
- Gym leaders don't lose to rookie trainers, they lose only to the exceptional trainers, who then go on to become potential champions.
- There's also the fact that gym leaders can adjust their Pokemon depending on the trainer's level (Brock apparently had a Graveller sitting at home, but chose to use his Geodude against Ash instead)
- Not every rookie starts off going from Pewter to Cerulean.
- Because of that, Misty and other gym leaders can easily face trainers in the later stages of their journey, where they'll be a lot stronger.
- Trainers from one region enter others, with experience and strong Pokemon, meaning the gym leaders will face them as well.
Also, are you starting to see why your logic makes no sense? On one hand you claim that gym leaders are weak, which would mean every trainer beating them is weak too. On another hand you claim that gym leaders aren't getting enough experience, because the trainers facing them suck. Where's the middle ground? And if that were so, are you suggesting that every trainer who makes it to the Plateau is weak? If that were the case, then how do some of them become E4 members to begin with? Are you implying that everyone in all of Pokemon sucks outside of the E4? But hmm, I wonder how they get to be like that? And if GLs were so pathetic, what's the point of going around battling them? Simply to make it to the league? To do what? Fight fellow rookies? So does it take several regions worth of experience to be good?
And you want to talk about flawed arguments.
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You Misty fans, honestly... Something must be in the Cerulean Water.
I've said my parts. I'm done with this, because you all will take the smallest trash and fabricate an argument out of it.
I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, because it's been a while since I watched the Kanto series. But point out to me exactly when she said that. Because as I recall it, gyms weren't even discussed until Ash arrived in Pewter City, at which time, the discussion was of the Pewter City gym, not Viridian. In fact, it wasn't even until then that Ash learned about gyms and badges, when Misty lectured him after getting excited about the "Regional Championships". So when did she say this to him? Was this some time between bickering with him about her bike or dealing with the Team Rocket crisis?Maybe you dont remember but in one of episodes from Kanto,when Ash was starting his journey wanting to challenge Viridian gym,Misty mentioned how its smarter to challenge some other "easier" gyms like Pewter one before going for this one.Dont believe me,go rewatch Kanto episodes if your looking for proof.
I'm curious.
By the way, Misty also wanted Ash to bypass Cerulean City altogether, and go on to Vermillion... So if there were some kind of set path, how would that even be possible?
Actually, tard, your exact words were, "majority of challengers are rookies", implying that most challengers ARE rookies, or in other words, claiming that they're one in the same. So how is that not the same? And yes, more so than you.And i didnt mentioned "most of challengers" but "most of rookies" who are from Kanto,thats not the same.Do you even understand how gyms and pokemon league works?
Stronger rookies? By "ones", I meant trainers, not rookies; meaning stronger trainers. Anyway, yeah, she'd battle beginners as well. Did I ever deny that? It happens. But you've implied that she'd get no challenges out of being a gym leader, while my argument is that she'll get plenty.Your right she wouldnt fight mostly only against rookie trainers,but those at medium level aswell,"big difference".As for battling against "stronger rookies",thats not true she is battling against beginners aswell.
What the fuck? Not too hard? Okay, calculate it then, using approximate numbers, with evidential support behind these numbers, since it "shouldn't be too hard". I'd love to find out where you get the numbers from. This will be entertaining.More than 50% of challengers at gyms are rookies.How much people every year participate in Indigo League?Well just do the math,how many trainers start their journey in Kanto,take into account how many from them are fromn Kantoi and how many are from other regions,it shouldnt be too hard.
Assuming that it is more than 50%, that's still at least, what? Anywhere from 15-25% of experienced trainers with experienced Pokemon? And that's not going to improve her? Compared to, say, Ash, who encounters the occassional trainer, battles TR so often, and hits up only 8 gyms over the course of a long ass journey?
And as for the trainers who actually do begin their journeys in Kanto. Amongst the "more than 50%" who start their journeys in that region as rookies, at least half of them are likely to battle her by the time they've got a lot of skill and experience under their belt, both as trainer and Pokemon. This is especially probable when you consider the fact that Cerulean is one way to get to Viridian and the Indigo Road.
No, it seems you simply speak out of your ass, constantly.Lol,yes because gym leaders are such a "strong trainers".It seems that you dont understand how gym works.
Lose to what rookies exactly? And which trainers exactly? Blaine constantly stepped on rookies, and that's why he WANTED challengers like Ash to come along. Lt. Surge put rookie trainers' Pokemon in the ICU. Brock scoffed at a rookie Pokemon like Ash's. Sabrina was apparently so strong that she played her matches under high stakes. And do I even need to get on Giovanni?As i said job of a gym leader is to test upcoming trainers to see if they are ready to partake in pokemon league.That pretty much explains the reason why they sometimes lose to rookies aswell.
Trainers like Gary aren't rookies, if that's what you're referring to. Look at how well he raised his Pokemon, and what he did to Giovanni's Pokemon--but none of these gym leaders are facing a challenge? Gary was simply strong, and yet he didn't even get out of the 4th round at the Indigo League, implying there were tons more strong trainers who had to go through these gym leaders. While Ash, who wasn't as talented as Gary throughout the first half of his journey, had to rely on various assistance, including coaching from the likes of Brock.
So what rookies are they losing to exactly? And how are they not facing challenges when they've had trainers like Gary and stronger? Everyone who specializes at something has to start somewhere, meaning every trainer's bound to be a rookie at some point. But some of those trainers go on to huge success--so they aren't challenges to GLs? Just about everyone who made it to the Pokemon League were tough trainers.
Who says they aren't? You? That's a laughable source.There is a reason why gym leaders arent highly leveled trainers.
That's not a theory, that's a fact. "It seems you don't know how" Pokemon works. Go pick up a DS and learn.With your theory and "amount of experience which they receive" over the years,
Misty left because she wanted to prove something to her sisters, whom she ultimately ended up being better than as a trainer anyway. And we're talking about Misty's goal as a type-specific trainer, which is best achieved at the gym or as an E-4 member. Or are you such a clown that you've even forgot what you're arguing?Why did Misty initially left the gym in start of her journey back than in Kanto?Because she wanted to achieve her dream of becoming one of the strongest trainers in the world,and that obviously isnt possible to do at gym.
Which he got from a trainer like Ash... And Ash lost in the R16, so that means there were at least 15 other trainers he could've potentially faced at an even higher level. In addition to trainers like Gary, and other trainers of the 3rd-4th round tier.Nevertheless aside from Blaine mentioning how he is tyred from battling against weaker trainers and wants bigger challenge,
And going back to the point about what kind of trainers Misty's likely to face: Assuming that Blaine did in fact challenge a mass of rookie competitors, then that would mean that not every rookie starts back at Pewter and Cerulean like you've stated.
Flint stated "His own talents can take him much farther than the local gym leader". Wait, what's that? A gym leader that's talented? I thought you were just arguing how gym leaders were at such a weak level? Yet they've got someone like Brock?aside from fact how Brocks father Flint said how its a shame that someone like Brock who has enough potential to be great trainer,even challenging pokemon league,is just a mere gym leader.
By the by, if Brock is in fact so talented, then this again, knocks down your theory that trainers all start at Pewter, or that he's significantly weaker than some of the later gym leaders.
Yeah, Morty's also a teenager, while Agatha's Oak's age.Seriously your overestimating gym leaders.Lets compare for example Morty(gym leader from Johto) who is using ghost types with Agatha E4 member.He obviously isnt even close to her level.
Because there are other factors like skill to take into account. And if someone's already gotten the position whose better than you, then that's one thing. But that's not to say Pryce is weak.The same goes for omparisons between Pryce and Lorelai etc.
Ash isn't limited to type specifications. He's trying to be the world's best trainer. Not the world's best of a single type.Let me ask you this.Isnt Ashs goal becoming pokemon master,being the strongest pokemon trainer in the world or onbe of the best.Than howcome someone who wants to achieve this(Ash is just an example) isnt settling down to becoming frontier brain or gym leader,when by your theory he would receive as much experience as its the case when your travelling.
As a gym leader, Misty would encounter tons of trainers coming into her gym, expecting water works, and attacking her with types like Grass, Electric, etc... She'll face any kind of Pokemon coming her way (like Sakura and her Espeon), while she'll be restricting herself to these same types. That's all the practice she needs.
No one asked you to write anything. In fact, I'd be glad if you didn't.,and i dont have time to write several paragraphs looking as an esey to prove to some people,why gym leaders arent high level trainers,and how many experience they really get which isnt nearly as much like amount of experience when your travelling.
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To summarize on some points hit...
- Gym Leaders aren't weak. They're tests.
- Gym leaders don't lose to rookie trainers, they lose only to the exceptional trainers, who then go on to become potential champions.
- There's also the fact that gym leaders can adjust their Pokemon depending on the trainer's level (Brock apparently had a Graveller sitting at home, but chose to use his Geodude against Ash instead)
- Not every rookie starts off going from Pewter to Cerulean.
- Because of that, Misty and other gym leaders can easily face trainers in the later stages of their journey, where they'll be a lot stronger.
- Trainers from one region enter others, with experience and strong Pokemon, meaning the gym leaders will face them as well.
Also, are you starting to see why your logic makes no sense? On one hand you claim that gym leaders are weak, which would mean every trainer beating them is weak too. On another hand you claim that gym leaders aren't getting enough experience, because the trainers facing them suck. Where's the middle ground? And if that were so, are you suggesting that every trainer who makes it to the Plateau is weak? If that were the case, then how do some of them become E4 members to begin with? Are you implying that everyone in all of Pokemon sucks outside of the E4? But hmm, I wonder how they get to be like that? And if GLs were so pathetic, what's the point of going around battling them? Simply to make it to the league? To do what? Fight fellow rookies? So does it take several regions worth of experience to be good?
And you want to talk about flawed arguments.
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You Misty fans, honestly... Something must be in the Cerulean Water.
I've said my parts. I'm done with this, because you all will take the smallest trash and fabricate an argument out of it.
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