DP166 - Sunnyshore Tower

[Kojiro]

So musashi, the words there does not saying anything yet about Ash's badge?

 

[Force Fire]

Whose that kid with the marker?

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

I am sure after all these years the writers are not going to give ash the badge without actually battling for it, he isnt a rookie anymore. When was the last time he got a badge without actually winning the battle?

The last time was in "A Triple Fighting Chance" as Ash never actually won against her (Don't forget. He tied, whic is by no means a win, yet he still got the badge.).

While it might not be good, I won't be surprised if that does end up being the route.

I am a bit surprised at the use of mass-produced badges, though, as it implies that he was losing quite a bit against Trainers, whileas the games stated that he was actually bored with being a Gym Leader since "none of the challengers gave him a challenge" (Which implies that he was beating the gym challengers far too easily.).

 

[dman_dustin]

The last time was in "A Triple Fighting Chance" as Ash never actually won against her (Don't forget. He tied, whic is by no means a win, yet he still got the badge.).

Doesn't count and that's not what hhhhdmt meant.

At least Ash did battle Maylene (not an interrupted one), and at least he did knock out her Pokemon even if she also knocked out his Pokemon.

I say he deserved the badge, even Ash was worried if really earned the badge but Brock and Dawn reassured him.

Saving Erika's Gloom from a fire to earn a badge was plain undeserved.

Edit: That said Ash not winning over Volkner for the badge will be the worst thing to happen in DP. And I really hope the writers aren't going to be that stupid. After all what GAME ever let you get a badge by just saving a Pokemon or something along those lines. This would defeat the purpose of the anime to advertise the game. A tie won't cut it either at least this time since it is the eighth gym.

If Ash can't beat Volkner, no matter how strong he is, really doesn't deserve to be in the league with the beacon badge. If he wants be in the league, find an anime only gym.

I am a bit surprised at the use of mass-produced badges, though, as it implies that he was losing quite a bit against Trainers, whileas the games stated that he was actually bored with being a Gym Leader since "none of the challengers gave him a challenge" (Which implies that he was beating the gym challengers far too easily.).

Actually it doesn't, keep in mind he's just giving these badges without actually seeing the trainer, it doesn't make sense that he'd only have a few badges for trainers. Mass producing the beacon badge at least makes it so he doesn't have to worry about the supply. Because if there are no badges, the trainers are going to look for him specifically.

The only thing that implies he kept losing is his behavior in the preview where he looks "sad."

 

[Trainer Yusuf]

Saving Erika's Gloom from a fire to earn a badge was plain undeserved.

Yeah, after all being the hero who saves Gym Leader's signatures is Satoshi's job, therefore nothing particulary interesting .

Anyways, I hope this won't be a pity badge, a la Kanto ones.

 

[Musashi]

So musashi, the words there does not saying anything yet about Ash's badge?

Nope. But the Rocket-Dan are indeed mentioned, in case anyone was thinking they weren't involved.

Whose that kid with the marker?

Takumi. He's in the School/Contest episode.

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

Doesn't count and that's not what hhhhdmt meant.

At least Ash did battle Maylene (not an interrupted one), and at least he did knock out her Pokemon even if she also knocked out his Pokemon.

I say he deserved the badge, even Ash was worried if really earned the badge but Brock and Dawn reassured him.

Saving Erika's Gloom from a fire to earn a badge was plain undeserved.

Edit: That said Ash not winning over Volkner for the badge will be the worst thing to happen in DP. And I really hope the writers aren't going to be that stupid. After all what GAME ever let you get a badge by just saving a Pokemon or something along those lines. This would defeat the purpose of the anime to advertise the game. A tie won't cut it either at least this time since it is the eighth gym.

Actually, I didn't really mind the so-called "pity badges." I mean, even the games implied that it takes far more than just beating the Gym Leader to earn a badge. It also requires you to take good care of your pokemon. I mean, if you had to choose between giving a badge to a trainer who has been shown to take care of his/her pokemon even if they never battled, or giving a badge who frequently abuses his/her pokemon without shame and publically just because said trainer beat you in a battle, do you honestly think you should go with the latter route? Besides, the Anime doesn't really do that good of a job advertizing the anime anyways, even with DP, seeing how they add in Contest Locations when there is only one, and the fact that they go through a tourney when the games have you going straight for the Elite 4.

Why is it that everyone thinks that one must beat the gym leader in order to get the Gym Badges? It was already implied in the games that that's not what has to be to earn a badge. It requires that the trainer take good care of their pokemon, not beating the Gym Leader.

 

[felichar]

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The tower looks pretty cool.

i would be happy if the electric wings that seviper has was made by a new pokemon that jessy catch. she deserves a new pokemon in her team, especialy now that she maiby is gona be in the grand festival

PS: sorry for my english

 

[Trainer Yusuf]

Actually, I didn't really mind the so-called "pity badges." I mean, even the games implied that it takes far more than just beating the Gym Leader to earn a badge.

With pity badges we didn't have any cool battles, and this show's genre action/adventure.

It also requires you to take good care of your pokemon. I mean, if you had to choose between giving a badge to a trainer who has been shown to take care of his/her pokemon even if they never battled, or giving a badge who frequently abuses his/her pokemon without shame and publically just because said trainer beat you in a battle, do you honestly think you should go with the latter route?

Depends Gym Leader's view I guess. Gym Leaders are supposed to be challanges before the main event, exams before league and places to learn.

Besides, the Anime doesn't really do that good of a job advertizing the anime anyways, even with DP, seeing how they add in Contest Locations when there is only one, and the fact that they go through a tourney when the games have you going straight for the Elite 4.

They are not same as games because if they were, show would be boring and animé wouldn't have any difference than games. That being said, animé doesn1t only advertises games, it is a whole franchise itself.

Why is it that everyone thinks that one must beat the gym leader in order to get the Gym Badges? It was already implied in the games that that's not what has to be to earn a badge. It requires that the trainer take good care of their pokemon, not beating the Gym Leader.

In games, they are just bosses of certain parts of game. And you know what you do bosses in games? You battle them. You just battle them.

 

[Hellion]

Why is it that everyone thinks that one must beat the gym leader in order to get the Gym Badges? It was already implied in the games that that's not what has to be to earn a badge. It requires that the trainer take good care of their pokemon, not beating the Gym Leader.

Wait what ? Name one gym in the games where you can get the badge without defeating the Gym leader ??? Oh yeah you can't.

Anyway, it looks like the writers are stretching out the Sunyshore arc. I can't believe they would throw a TR steals a tower plot in the middle of the real gym battle...

 

[dman_dustin]

Why is it that everyone thinks that one must beat the gym leader in order to get the Gym Badges? It was already implied in the games that that's not what has to be to earn a badge. It requires that the trainer take good care of their pokemon, not beating the Gym Leader.

Because anyone can save a Pokemon from a burning building, however none of the league matches require him to save a Pokemon from a burning building, nor would Ash win the League if he did save a Pokemon.

It's a nice thought, but saving a Pokemon isn't helping anything in that manner, since as I said ANYONE can save a Pokemon but not everyone can beat a gym leader.

If someone got to the league solely on pity badges and not because they earned them by battling, then why do they deserve to be there? It would be selfish and uncaring for the trainer to put his/her Pokemon through that kind of battling with no battle experience under his/her belt.

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

Because anyone can save a Pokemon from a burning building, however none of the league matches require him to save a Pokemon from a burning building, nor would Ash win the League if he did save a Pokemon.

It's a nice thought, but saving a Pokemon isn't helping anything in that manner, since as I said ANYONE can save a Pokemon but not everyone can beat a gym leader.

If someone got to the league solely on pity badges and not because they earned them by battling, then why do they deserve to be there? It would be selfish and uncaring for the trainer to put his/her Pokemon through that kind of battling with no battle experience under his/her belt.

Actually, given what happened in Hoenn by treating the Gym Leaders like trash of the same level as JJM when they lost to that Caterpie, I'd argue that, at least in the case of Hoenn, anyone can beat a Gym Leader in that case.

Wait what ? Name one gym in the games where you can get the badge without defeating the Gym leader ??? Oh yeah you can't.

Anyway, it looks like the writers are stretching out the Sunyshore arc. I can't believe they would throw a TR steals a tower plot in the middle of the real gym battle...

Err... read the dialogue, they keep on forcing down the fact that you've taken good care of your pokemon when you fight them, among other things. That implies that the way to earn the badge is NOT just defeating the Gym Leader.

 

[Cybersai]

Actually, given what happened in Hoenn by treating the Gym Leaders like trash of the same level as JJM when they lost to that Caterpie, I'd argue that, at least in the case of Hoenn, anyone can beat a Gym Leader in that case.

Weedle, what in the world are you talking about? Ash was down to his last Pokemon in all the Hoenn Gyms. Wattson was the only one he clean sweeped because Pikachu was super-charged.

Ash got a run for his money in all the Hoenn Gyms sans Wattson.

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

Weedle, what in the world are you talking about? Ash was down to his last Pokemon in all the Hoenn Gyms. Wattson was the only one he clean sweeped because Pikachu was super-charged.

Ash got a run for his money in all the Hoenn Gyms sans Wattson.

The way I see it, seeing how he had a completely rookie team besides Pikachu, he needs to lose first, and THEN win against them after training, rather than win at one shot. Besides, Chaosblazer already explained exactly what I was talking about repeatedly when he first explained how the Hoenn Gyms were done terribly. I mean, if it was something like, say, Charizard, or Squirtle, or even the Johto team, I can understand that, but barring Pikachu, most of the teams had beaten a few of the Gym Leaders as if they were nothing, similar to that of JJM who had lost to a Caterpie (one who was not only completely experienced, but barely even functioning.). THAT'S what I'm trying to get at.

To me, he needs to lose at least once against ALL of the Gym Leaders in order for it to be completely make sense, given the situation.

 

[Chronos]

Err... read the dialogue, they keep on forcing down the fact that you've taken good care of your pokemon when you fight them, among other things. That implies that the way to earn the badge is NOT just defeating the Gym Leader.

Still, it'd be pretty anticlimactic for Ash to just get his 8th badge without battling for it. If they were just gonna hand it to him, there shouldn't have been a 30+ episodes gap.

 

[Cybersai]

The way I see it, seeing how he had a completely rookie team besides Pikachu,

LOL, what? Ash had a rookie team in Johto, Sinnoh and at the start of any region. Ash lost to a grand total of one Gym leader in Johto, and won most of his Kanto badges by pity.

His Hoenn Pokemon were some of his best trained and developed Pokemon in the series, the Hoenn Gym leaders were all showcased to be incredibly tough where Ash almost lost to all of them, and he always won with only one Pokemon standing, (again excluding Wattson).

Treecko/Grovyle, Swellow, Corphish, Torkoal and Glalie all got a great number of training episodes, battles, and screentime over the course of the region. Ash was an experienced trainer that time around and spent time giving them new moves, training their abilities, and they wound up becoming some of Ash's strongest Pokemon in his roster.

 

[Grave-E]

Why is it that everyone thinks that one must beat the gym leader in order to get the Gym Badges?

Because they're supposed to prove one's battling ability? Y'know...for the big ol' tornament event in which you'll have to use said battling ability in order to progress?
It's all well and good to love your Pikachu, but that's not gonna get you too far in the competition.

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

LOL, what? Ash had a rookie team in Johto, Sinnoh and at the start of any region. Ash lost to a grand total of one Gym leader in Johto, and won most of his Kanto badges by pity.

Johto at least had some of his past pokemon with him, so it wasn't like that.

His Hoenn Pokemon were some of his best trained and developed Pokemon in the series, the Hoenn Gym leaders were all showcased to be incredibly tough where Ash almost lost to all of them, and he always won with only one Pokemon standing, (again excluding Wattson).

Yeah, and yet JJM during a few episodes, even Episode 3, did just that, and the fanbase still labels them as being completely weak to the extent that even a baby can win against them. Honestly, rematches are what would convince me of whether they truly were difficult. Only Brawly ever met that condition. To me, with rookie pokemon, they'd be KOed in a heartbeat against someone like a Gym Leader, even IF Ash was experienced enough. Think of it like a coach in a sports team. If you have trained a sports team for a while, and then you are relocated to a new sports team, then, regardless of whether you've had a lifes worth of experience in terms of coaching, the new team will ultimately lose to their first match of the season. The same deal applies to organizing a completely new team (IE, a team where none of the original team returns at the start of the region.). Sigh, Chaosblazer, can you please try to explain it, I'm trying to explain it to the best of my ability, but it won't work.

 

[Cybersai]

Johto at least had some of his past pokemon with him, so it wasn't like that.

Bulbasaur and Squirtle were not used in ANY Johto Gyms. Charizard was only used in two of them.

6 of the 8 Johto Gyms were Ash's Johto Pokemon and Pikachu.

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

Bulbasaur and Squirtle were not used in ANY Johto Gyms. Charizard was only used in two of them.

6 of the 8 Johto Gyms were Ash's Johto Pokemon and Pikachu.

Ok... Well, I'm annoyed with the gyms in Johto now.