PokéPark 2 and Mewtwo Event Announced: Sequel to Wii game, and previously hinted Mewt

[Silktree]

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Uh, yeah, it's an old game that was outdated at the time Pokemon Smash started. What would be the point in showcasing it?

What's the point in showing flashbacks from an old show pertaining to an obsolete game? It only serves to highlight how ugly the Black and White battles look when stretched on a TV screen. Surely the young players who haven't played PBR are wondering why they can't play a similar game, and considering no such game is going to be released by the end of the year, that isn't a good thing.

 

[El_]

Re: PokéPark 2 and Mewtwo Event Announced: Sequel to Wii game, and previously hinted

So what are the three other moves for Mewtwo besides Electro Ball, which I'm pretty sure he can already learn?

Psystrike/Shadow Ball/Aura Sphere

In regards to PBR, might it be possible that they are planning on releasing an updated version of it? I'd expect an announcement by now though, unless it was to be announced next Spring and released in the Summer.

Its also possible that any plans for another Pokemon game on the Wii have been scrapped for the Wii U. Thats undesirable though unless one of the first Wii U games is to be a Pokemon RPG/3D battle game.

So much speculation...

 

[Zeta]

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It might be pretty bad if the Wii U launched with a Pokemon battle game, because I'd be afraid of Gen VI's battle game being postponed indefinitely like Gen V's is being.

Mainly I think Nintendo is in limbo right now due to bad console decisions that are finally catching up with them, and we're seeing their panic reflected in GameFreak's strange and tangled development mess. IE - they've pretty much given up on releasing new Wii Software in the US - at this rate it looks like Kirby Wii and Skyward Sword will be the last official release for the system, period. And the 3Ds has been disappointing both consumers and Nintendo as well, probably making them question the integrity of the system versus the Vita and Iphone.

 

[Ghetsis-Dennis]

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Ok, seriously, enough with this Nintendo apocalypse crud already. It's starting to sound like an excuse for hardcore gamers to how Nintendo isn't focusing only on them showing off their selfishness to the gaming community. Besides, there's no particular way a new Pokemon Battle will on released on launch date with the Wii U, and even if it's not like the Stadium games, Screwattack's Game Vault showed how those games aren't good as well.

 

[Totodile158]

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Wow... I was right... this event is a major waste. He better unlock something is all I can say

Well, let's not forget the Shokotan Pichu back in 2009. When it was announced, we all thought that it's just a normal event shiny Pichu that was made when pre-booking tickets for the 12th Pokemon movie and that because of some relation between Shokotan and Pichu, and Shokotan is the main host of Pokemon Sunday/Pokemon Smash, but then a few months later, the much anticipated G/S/C remakes, HGSS, were announced and that it has been confirmed that it activates an event in HGSS where you can obtain a Spiky-Eared Pichu. This could be the same possible situation with the event Mewtwo, which they may announce a new game/games first before confirming it's event activation on the said new game/games, but well again, a possibility for now.

 

[Zeta]

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Ok, seriously, enough with this Nintendo apocalypse crud already. It's starting to sound like an excuse for hardcore gamers to how Nintendo isn't focusing only on them showing off their selfishness to the gaming community

Nintendo put all of their US marketing into casual gaming, leaving out Nintendo rpgs and detailed games from being released in the US. Casual gamers will buy hardware but not software, as Nintendo found out the hard way. The Nintendo 3DS was a huge miss-step and even Nintendo themselves copped to that. You'd have to be blind not to see the current problems with Nintendo's business strategy for the past five years.

 

[Adamant]

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What's the point in showing flashbacks from an old show pertaining to an obsolete game?

This is the fourth tournament, and they showed clips from the previous ones. Did you even watch the clip? If you don't understand what's going on in a clip, it's a good idea to just sit back and have people explain it to you, rather than arguing.

Showing clips from the previous tournaments, which used PBR, makes perfect sense when introducing a new tournament, using the outdated PBR nowadays for anything official makes no sense, and as PBR was outdated by the time Pokemon Smash started, using PBR in Pokemon Smash has always been out of the question.
There, inarguable facts. Take them.

 

[The Outrage]

Re: PokéPark 2 and Mewtwo Event Announced: Sequel to Wii game, and previously hinted

Nintendo put all of their US marketing into casual gaming, leaving out Nintendo rpgs and detailed games from being released in the US. Casual gamers will buy hardware but not software, as Nintendo found out the hard way. The Nintendo 3DS was a huge miss-step and even Nintendo themselves copped to that. You'd have to be blind not to see the current problems with Nintendo's business strategy for the past five years.

We can just say their marketing in general. They priced the 3DS based on its hype and what they thought people would pay. They thought people would pay $250 for a console, during a recession, with a bad launch library, and no eShop.

Their WiiU performance was confusing at best, and are sending mixed messages. The Wii is for the family, but screw them, I'll play on my own. Why not showcase how the WiiU remote can enhance the individual aspect of multiplayer rather than going "Hey, family wants to watch TV? Don't need to turn off game". Having a screen all to yourself, along with a larger, shared screen could have so much potential for multiplayer.

 

[Ghetsis-Dennis]

Re: PokéPark 2 and Mewtwo Event Announced: Sequel to Wii game, and previously hinted

Nintendo put all of their US marketing into casual gaming, leaving out Nintendo rpgs and detailed games from being released in the US. Casual gamers will buy hardware but not software, as Nintendo found out the hard way. The Nintendo 3DS was a huge miss-step and even Nintendo themselves copped to that. You'd have to be blind not to see the current problems with Nintendo's business strategy for the past five years.

But you must realize that systems will still sell less if they focus on the hardcore rather than non-gamers; this whole Hardcore Vs. Casual argument is going too far, and it's making me sick. You must realize that Nintendo will never listen to their fans out of common sense. *points to SEGA and Capcom*

 

[Silktree]

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This is the fourth tournament, and they showed clips from the previous ones. Did you even watch the clip? If you don't understand what's going on in a clip, it's a good idea to just sit back and have people explain it to you, rather than arguing.

Yes, you've said that already. Rather than needlessly reiterating a tired point, at least be aware of the thread you're posting in.

Showing clips from the previous tournaments, which used PBR, makes perfect sense when introducing a new tournament,

No one cares about the history of their tournaments. I didn't even question their decision to use the clips - I said it reflected badly on the current game situation. I don't recall clips from Gold and Silver being shown on Pokémon Sunday at a time when it made sense to remind viewers of those games. Like it or not, they are showcasing PBR (if only briefly) even if they're not trying to promote it in any way. The problem is that their tournament has nothing to do with the game being promoted now, which is PokéPark 2.

They could at least showcase battles from the recent Japan Cup. At least that would be worthwhile.

 

[El_]

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It might be pretty bad if the Wii U launched with a Pokemon battle game, because I'd be afraid of Gen VI's battle game being postponed indefinitely like Gen V's is being.

You are likely very correct on this. Its getting so late though, if they are going to announce a Wii battle game then it really does need to be soon. Unless Gen 5 is suppose to last for a very long time or something.

 

[Silktree]

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You are likely very correct on this. Its getting so late though, if they are going to announce a Wii battle game then it really does need to be soon. Unless Gen 5 is suppose to last for a very long time or something.

I'd say that it is too late for a Wii battle game. If one were being planned, it would definitely be released now instead of PokéPark 2.

I don't think that this has much to do with Generation V's length (PBR's premature release certainly did not mean anything for Generation IV), but rather with the awkward notion that a battle game would be better used for the Wii U next year. Frankly, PBR was a poor launch title for the Wii, so there is little justification to recycle that strategy, especially when it renders the gap between PBR and its successor ridiculously long. However, the only other possible explanation is that the Pokémon Company seriously believe that the battle console games are past their time, but that's doubtful if only because Genius Sonority are still tied to the company.

If to be fair, releasing a battle game for the Wii may not be the best idea in case Game Freak are working on a 3DS Generation V title. Of course, Genius Sonority could have released a Wii game to go along with Black and White instead of Typing DS, without detracting from a separate game for the Wii U to complement any 3DS game Game Freak may be working on. Had they done that, it would have been possible to release both a PBR-like game and the much more favorable option of a console RPG, but I suppose that would have made too much sense.

 

[Zeta]

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But you must realize that systems will still sell less if they focus on the hardcore rather than non-gamers; this whole Hardcore Vs. Casual argument is going too far, and it's making me sick. You must realize that Nintendo will never listen to their fans out of common sense. *points to SEGA and Capcom*

The market that Nintendo focused on for the Wii have all abandoned the Wii in favor of the Iphone and browser-based games like Angry Birds. The base that gave Nintendo their cash during their Wii era is no longer there. If they keep on ignoring their fanbase in favor of grandma-marketed shovel ware and gimmicks like 3D then expect them to go the way of SEGA - no more Nintendo consoles, because there will be nobody there to buy them. You can stick your fingers in your ears and go "Lalala glorious Nintendo knows best" all you want and it won't change the economics marketing facts of the situation.


Watch this: http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/consoles-are-the-new-coin-op

It's going to happen sooner or later, and Nintendo is making it come sooner for their company.

I'd say that it is too late for a Wii battle game. If one were being planned, it would definitely be released now instead of PokéPark 2.

I don't think that this has much to do with Generation V's length (PBR's premature release certainly did not mean anything for Generation IV), but rather with the awkward notion that a battle game would be better used for the Wii U next year. Frankly, PBR was a poor launch title for the Wii, so there is little justification to recycle that strategy, especially when it renders the gap between PBR and its successor ridiculously long. However, the only other possible explanation is that the Pokémon Company seriously believe that the battle console games are past their time, but that's doubtful if only because Genius Sonority are still tied to the company.

If to be fair, releasing a battle game for the Wii may not be the best idea in case Game Freak are working on a 3DS Generation V title. Of course, Genius Sonority could have released a Wii game to go along with Black and White instead of Typing DS, without detracting from a separate game for the Wii U to complement any 3DS game Game Freak may be working on. Had they done that, it would have been possible to release both a PBR-like game and the much more favorable option of a console RPG, but I suppose that would have made too much sense.

It is certainly true that as their 2D art design actually becomes competent, the reasoning for having a 3D model spinoff series can be called into question.

 

[The Outrage]

Re: PokéPark 2 and Mewtwo Event Announced: Sequel to Wii game, and previously hinted

The market that Nintendo focused on for the Wii have all abandoned the Wii in favor of the Iphone and browser-based games like Angry Birds. The base that gave Nintendo their cash during their Wii era is no longer there. If they keep on ignoring their fanbase in favor of grandma-marketed shovel ware and gimmicks like 3D then expect them to go the way of SEGA - no more Nintendo consoles, because there will be nobody there to buy them. You can stick your fingers in your ears and go "Lalala glorious Nintendo knows best" all you want and it won't change the economics marketing facts of the situation.

To better illustrate this, ask yourself this question:

Would a casual gamer who already owns a smart phone spend $200+ on a console, plus another $30+ on a game?

But you must realize that systems will still sell less if they focus on the hardcore rather than non-gamers; this whole Hardcore Vs. Casual argument is going too far, and it's making me sick. You must realize that Nintendo will never listen to their fans out of common sense. *points to SEGA and Capcom*

Common sense is what they lack. Just look at the anecdote I made above. Common sense dictates casual gamers would much rather not spend $200+ on a console and another $30+ for every game they want to play when they already have a smart phone.

Sure, not everyone has a smart phone, but the difference is, when it comes to what you'd much rather buy if you're not into gaming, you'd probably buy a phone that can play games, music, and browse the web, versus something that can only play games.

 

[Adamant]

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No one cares about the history of their tournaments.

You sure like speaking for everyone. They've brought up the prior tournament results tons of time (the last winner is often mentioned to be as such whenever he/she battles a TV viewer), and they always bring up prior tournament results when they hold a new tournament. The tournaments and their results are a big "thing" in the show, so obviously people DO care.

I don't recall clips from Gold and Silver being shown on Pokémon Sunday at a time when it made sense to remind viewers of those games.

I do.
I also recall them using clips from the original Red and Green a couple weeks ago, to show off Mewtwo's first video game appearance. So... what?

Like it or not, they are showcasing PBR (if only briefly) even if they're not trying to promote it in any way. The problem is that their tournament has nothing to do with the game being promoted now, which is PokéPark 2.

They don't spend the entirety of every episode promoting the next video game to be released. They'll promote that in due time, but next episode is dedicated to the tournament. This is how the show has always been. Do you even watch it?

 

[Ghetsis-Dennis]

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To better illustrate this, ask yourself this question:

Would a casual gamer who already owns a smart phone spend $200+ on a console, plus another $30+ on a game?
Common sense is what they lack. Just look at the anecdote I made above. Common sense dictates casual gamers would much rather not spend $200+ on a console and another $30+ for every game they want to play when they already have a smart phone.

Sure, not everyone has a smart phone, but the difference is, when it comes to what you'd much rather buy if you're not into gaming, you'd probably buy a phone that can play games, music, and browse the web, versus something that can only play games.

I knew it, you guys really do want Nintendo gone for good, but I'm pretty sure the Game Overthinker will counter your arguments in his later videos.

 

[Articwolf10]

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Um... Wow you do realize that the 3DS can play music play video's AND surf the web right? and has a lot of games you can get off of the eshop... so yeah it can do more then play games... DO you guys want Nintendo to go out of buisness? Plus the 3DS in now cheeper then most smart phones... 177 bucks is a bargin for a new game system

 

[Zeta]

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I knew it, you guys really do want Nintendo gone for good, but I'm pretty sure the Game Overthinker will counter your arguments in his later videos.

God forbid you make your own arguments instead of saying that we're fun-hating morons who seek to erase all joy, and just assure is that MovieBob or someone will make an argument for you.

Project Rainfall has pretty much disproven Moviebob's argument that Nintendo can and will try to cater both to casuals and hardcores - and I initially agreed with Moviebob, too. And now the casuals are playing Angry Birds on iPhones while Wiis gather dust.

 

[Articwolf10]

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Why are you making such a big deal about casual gamers? How does it relate to the Pokepark game or the Mewtwo event? how did this argument even get STARTED!

 

[Ghetsis-Dennis]

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God forbid you make your own arguments instead of saying that we're fun-hating morons who seek to erase all joy, and just assure is that MovieBob or someone will make an argument for you.

Project Rainfall has pretty much disproven Moviebob's argument that Nintendo can and will try to cater both to casuals and hardcores - and I initially agreed with Moviebob, too. And now the casuals are playing Angry Birds on iPhones while Wiis gather dust.

It's because JRPGs don't sell well in the U.S. no thanks to Sports Simulators and FPS games, and Moviebob says it better than I do when it comes to the Hardcore vs. Casual debate.