Gen VI Pokemon Discussion

[Finicky Fennekin]

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I'm just curious, but why are people saying Sylveon's design is inconsistent? It looks pretty much the same to me in the Corocoro scans, official art, and gameplay video...

It's inconsistent with the other Eeveelution designs.

Ahhh ok, I thought people were talking about the colors for some reason...

Though, if I may ask another question: what makes it inconsistent from the other Eevees?

I'm sorry if I'm being really dense today, it's just that I don't see much difference. (-_-)ゞ゛

 

[Rainbow]

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It might look way out of place compared to the others, but it still has the same basic traits. If you took off its ribbons and streamers, it'd look the same as any other eeveelution.

 

[Finicky Fennekin]

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It might look way out of place compared to the others, but it still has the same basic traits. If you took off its ribbons and streamers, it'd look the same as any other eeveelution.

This is why I'm confused about people saying it looks so different...

I mean, look at the body compared to Leafeon's, even the pose is almost identical!


It's a bit taller, sure, but the ear/head/body shape looks pretty much identical on all the Eeveelutions.
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[mariowie]

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It might look way out of place compared to the others, but it still has the same basic traits. If you took off its ribbons and streamers, it'd look the same as any other eeveelution.

This is why I'm confused about people saying it looks so different...

I mean, look at the body compared to Leafeon's, even the pose is almost identical!
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It's a bit taller, sure, but the ear/head/body shape looks pretty much identical on all the Eeveelutions.
ヾ(´･ ･｀｡)ノ”

I think most people are ticked of because they can't really pin a type on it by its design.
Where it is for all the other eeveelutions really obvious.

 

[Flare Blitz]

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It looks like a Pink Victini head and flesh bows were glued on a Eeveevlution's body. The eyes are light, huge, and creepy-looking. The other Eeveelutions had darker almond-shaped eyes. Sylveon's colors are all over the place and its design is too busy compared to the others that had few colors and a simple design.

 

[Finicky Fennekin]

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It looks like a Pink Victini head and flesh bows were glued on a Eeveevlution's body. The eyes are light, huge, and creepy-looking. The other Eeveelutions had darker almond-shaped eyes. Sylveon's colors are all over the place and its design is too busy compared to the others that had few colors and a simple design.

But... Sylveon only has two colors: blue and pink... that isn't really complicated??

I'm sorry, I didn't get much sleep last night and everything's just kind of confusing to me right now, I'm going to log off and take a nap...

 

[Rainbow]

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There really is no way to pin a type on it. Not a single one at least. Besides the others being the color of their type, they have other clues. Vaporeon has fins, Leafeon has leaves, Glaceon looks like it's wearing a winter hat, Espeon has whiskers which are used for feeling, etc. Ribbons....aren't really associated with anything.

Given it's airy appearance though, I keep my guess on flying. I know it's colors are kinda unrelated, but iirc Flying is represented by light purple, and a light purple eeveelution with obvious wings would just look...silly

 

[Owain]

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There really is no way to pin a type on it. Not a single one at least. Besides the others being the color of their type, they have other clues. Vaporeon has fins, Leafeon has leaves, Glaceon looks like it's wearing a winter hat, Espeon has whiskers which are used for feeling, etc. Ribbons....aren't really associated with anything.

Given it's airy appearance though, I keep my guess on flying. I know it's colors are kinda unrelated, but iirc Flying is represented by light purple, and a light purple eeveelution with obvious wings would just look...silly

Umbreon though, is just black for the Dark-Type, what other detail on its designs make it's type clear? You may point out the rings, but we didn't know they glowed until after Umbreon was released.

 

[mariowie]

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It looks like a Pink Victini head and flesh bows were glued on a Eeveevlution's body. The eyes are light, huge, and creepy-looking. The other Eeveelutions had darker almond-shaped eyes. Sylveon's colors are all over the place and its design is too busy compared to the others that had few colors and a simple design.

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okay let's look at the picture. The pink and the flesh bows are part of it's type(flying my guess) just like leafeons leafes flareons fire fur coat, and every other eeveelution has something that revers to it's type. The eye color fit with the type and are they shape is more like that of eevee. And not all the eeveelutions have darker almond-shaped eyes, see Leafeon and what about the eye color of Umbreon then.
Too much colors there are just a couple and they complement each other.

But if you think otherwise that's fine, no reason to start a fanwar about this right ?

 

[Rainbow]

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There really is no way to pin a type on it. Not a single one at least. Besides the others being the color of their type, they have other clues. Vaporeon has fins, Leafeon has leaves, Glaceon looks like it's wearing a winter hat, Espeon has whiskers which are used for feeling, etc. Ribbons....aren't really associated with anything.

Given it's airy appearance though, I keep my guess on flying. I know it's colors are kinda unrelated, but iirc Flying is represented by light purple, and a light purple eeveelution with obvious wings would just look...silly

Umbreon though, is just black for the Dark-Type, what other detail on its designs make it's type clear? You may point out the rings, but we didn't know they glowed until after Umbreon was released.

That's why I didn't mention it, it's like the sole exception. Even knowing the rings glow wouldn't help determine what it is. But just it being black and red eyes kinda give it away as dark. Then again, that was a new type at the time, so maybe it is a new type? I hope it's flying, but I'll just be kinda disappointed if it ends up being something people speculate like "Fairy" type.

 

[Owain]

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There really is no way to pin a type on it. Not a single one at least. Besides the others being the color of their type, they have other clues. Vaporeon has fins, Leafeon has leaves, Glaceon looks like it's wearing a winter hat, Espeon has whiskers which are used for feeling, etc. Ribbons....aren't really associated with anything.

Given it's airy appearance though, I keep my guess on flying. I know it's colors are kinda unrelated, but iirc Flying is represented by light purple, and a light purple eeveelution with obvious wings would just look...silly

Umbreon though, is just black for the Dark-Type, what other detail on its designs make it's type clear? You may point out the rings, but we didn't know they glowed until after Umbreon was released.

That's why I didn't mention it, it's like the sole exception. Even knowing the rings glow wouldn't help determine what it is. But just it being black and red eyes kinda give it away as dark. Then again, that was a new type at the time, so maybe it is a new type? I hope it's flying, but I'll just be kinda disappointed if it ends up being something people speculate like "Fairy" type.

I sometimes forget the Dark-type wasn't in Gen 1, sorry. How about the Love-type then?

 

[Dragonfyre]

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Why does Sylveon seems so different from the rest of the Eeveelutions? First, its colors are less seamless, somehow. With all the other Eeveelutions, only two colors were used in the designs, or a single color, but in different shades. Generally, their designs feature huge areas of the same color. Sylveon isn't this way: there's a splash of blue here, a tiny patch of this shade of pink there, a darker shade of pink in that area over there, stripes of these colors here, etc. The predominant color for Sylveon is white, and that's another factor in why Sylveon seems so different: it's the lightest-colored Eeveelution. Sylveon's eyes are also different; they're not angled or narrowed (in the Sugimori art, at least) but instead big and round, like a bug's. Lastly, Sylveon's ribbons, unlike its counterparts (say, Vaporeon's frill and Leafeon's, uh, leaves) extend farther away from the body.

 

[Green Zubat]

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I think it is (where possible), otherwise people start seeing the need for types where there isn't any, like a "Love"-type or a "Light"-type, which I feel are already covered by other types. Honestly, the only new type I see as possible (if it were going to happen) is Sound, IMO, as that doesn't seem to be covered by existing types.

I don't think GF really cares whether a type could possibly be covered by another type.

I wasn't discussing what GF thinks of the situation, only whether or not I think there should be a new type based on the remaining potential for one. Tbh, regaring GF's wishes, I doubt that they'll ever bring a new type in again; Dark & Steel were only brought in to fix Psychic, so in lieu of some glaring flaw like that (which there isn't), I doubt they'd bring another in after all this time.

They introduced the Rock and Ground types in generation I, which are very similar and could easily be a single type. I don't see the point in trying to limit the possibilities of what they can do, since they can do virtually anything they want with the franchise.

Saying GF can do what they want is obvious and solves nothing. I wasn't "limiting" them, that's clearly impossible. I was pointing out that there isn't as much room for new types as people think.

A Sound/Sonic type wouldn't be bad but it's very unlikely imo, since they've already introduced multiple sound-based Pokemon and moves that fall into various types.

You could say the same for all the other potential types. And besides, they reclassified Bite to be a Dark move when Dark was introduced, and made the Magnemite line part Steel when that came in, so I don't see why they couldn't do that for Sound-based moves and sonic Pokémon.

 

[Dr. Buni]

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What about shaymin skyform then that also doesn't have real wing, only ears that would hint to it.
Sylveon has how to say it, an air feeling if you watch the clip of Sylveon her meat scarf ??? really is there to be played by the wind.
But this is kind farfetched.

And dual typing is not likely to be happening now but it is a possiblity.

You have a point about Shaymin, but then again it is a legendary Pokémon.

 

[Vyrron]

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I wasn't discussing what GF thinks of the situation, only whether or not I think there should be a new type based on the remaining potential for one. Tbh, regaring GF's wishes, I doubt that they'll ever bring a new type in again; Dark & Steel were only brought in to fix Psychic, so in lieu of some glaring flaw like that (which there isn't), I doubt they'd bring another in after all this time.

You may doubt it but that doesn't mean it can't or it won't happen. My point was that it's not up to you or any of us to decide whether new types will be introduced or not. For whatever reasons, GF may decide to create more types or not.

Saying GF can do what they want is obvious and solves nothing. I wasn't "limiting" them, that's clearly impossible. I was pointing out that there isn't as much room for new types as people think.

Again, it doesn't matter what "people" think; only GF.

You could say the same for all the other potential types. And besides, they reclassified Bite to be a Dark move when Dark was introduced, and made the Magnemite line part Steel when that came in, so I don't see why they couldn't do that for Sound-based moves and sonic Pokémon.

I can't disagree with that, of course it is a possibility.

You have a point about Shaymin, but then again it is a legendary Pokémon.

That's not really an excuse, nothing stops them from doing the same with Sylveon.

 

[ange]

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What about shaymin skyform then that also doesn't have real wing, only ears that would hint to it.
Sylveon has how to say it, an air feeling if you watch the clip of Sylveon her meat scarf ??? really is there to be played by the wind.
But this is kind farfetched.

And dual typing is not likely to be happening now but it is a possiblity.

You have a point about Shaymin, but then again it is a legendary Pokémon.

How is being a legendary Pokemon an excuse for having a not-so-obvious design?

 

[Dr. Buni]

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That's not really an excuse, nothing stops them from doing the same with Sylveon.

I did not say it was an excuse, did I? Please, do not put words on my fingers. Actually, nothing stop them from making Sylveon any type they want, but that doesn't make every possibility likely. Shaymin is a exception, not the rule. It is the only Flying-type Pokémon that doesn't have "flying-esque" characteristics, using it as a "proof" that Sylveon will be a Flying-type Pokémon doesn't make much sense.

Not saying that Sylveon can't be a Flying-type Pokémon, it is definitively possible, but right now even it being of a completely new type is more likely.

 

[Vyrron]

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I did not say it was an excuse, did I? Please, do not put words on my fingers. Actually, nothing stop them from making Sylveon any type they want, but that doesn't make every possibility likely. Shaymin is a exception, not the rule. It is the only Flying-type Pokémon that doesn't have "flying-esque" characteristics, using it as a "proof" that Sylveon will be a Flying-type Pokémon doesn't make much sense.

Not saying that Sylveon can't be a Flying-type Pokémon, it is definitively possible, but right now even it being of a completely new type is more likely.

I'm not saying Shaymin is proof that Sylveon is a Flying-type; in fact I agree with you, a new type altogether is more likely for me. Still, they could make another exception like they did with Shaymin, and give Sylveon the Flying-type (which, imo, is the most fitting type for it out of the already existing ones).

 

[Jan Jan die Draakman]

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You have a point about Shaymin, but then again it is a legendary Pokémon.

That's not really an excuse, nothing stops them from doing the same with Sylveon

This is partially addressing my original post a few pages back, so here I am. If Sylveon goes and be the first non-legendary Pokemon that is flying type that can float due to mystical powers, it is as said done by GF and fans can not really do anything about it. The point however is that if they do this it would be the first of its kind making a president for future designs for flying pokemon. Thus add wind referring features in background story, or a few ribbons for instance and you have a new multiple evolution flying pokemon found in routes, that is as common as Taillow for instance. This act in turn then degrades flying type imo, since to be able to fly has become not a black and white design issue but a grey idea of anything goes.

What about shaymin skyform then that also doesn't have real wing, only ears that would hint to it.
Sylveon has how to say it, an air feeling if you watch the clip of Sylveon her meat scarf ??? really is there to be played by the wind.
But this is kind farfetched.

And dual typing is not likely to be happening now but it is a possiblity.

The only thing I feel is lacking in the design to support a flying type is the ability to float in those animations. (as a whole and not only ribbons). Granted eevee designs usually have feet for walking or standing, however flying with no wings and it do not even float in the animations is sad if it where to be flying type in the end.

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

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We lost any right to claim that girly Pokemon must be gender exclusive Pokemon ever since we got Gardevoir.

I said "COULD" GOSH besides I'm pretty sure there is at least one culture where men wear robes that another culture would call a dress. And Zero has a green breast thing too.