The New Mega Evolutions Thread (MOD NOTE: Read first post!)

[Winterdaze]

mega salamence is so aerodynamic I'll have no problems throwing it into the trash from 100 meters away

 

[Zeb]

Disappointing they gave Mega Altaria an offensive ability and not a defensive one. Hopefully it gains decent defensive boosts and Pixilate is to make up for not having huge attack increases. At least it gets Hyper Voice and Return, so you can use either physical or special. Physical has Dragon Claw/Outrage, Return and Earthquake, while special has Hyper Voice, Dragon Pulse and Fire Blast. I would have preferred to see something like Regenerator though. The cloud on its head looks silly, but barring that I like it and its new Dragon/Fairy typing.

While I don't care for Lopunny, Mega Lopunny looks pretty good. Normal/Fighting with Scrappy (Scrappy fits its new design perfectly) is unresisted, so run dual STABs plus any other two moves you want from Lopunny's huge movepool and you're good to go. It also now gets Scrappy Fake Out, so I can see it being decent in Doubles too. I'm just again concerned that they are turning a support/defensive Pokemon into an offensive Mega.

Mega Salamence is a massive improvement over regular Salamence imo. Aerilate is a good ability for it since it lacks any good Flying move, but I'm kinda tired of -ate abilities at this point. Just slap them on instead of putting more thought into it (Salamence did need an ability like this for its lack of good Flying STAB to be fair). Mega Salamence is going to be nuts in battle. Dragon Dance + Attack boost + Aerilate Flying moves + other decent coverage moves = death. Mega Pinsir shows how good the ability can make something and Pinsir stats were pretty average barring Attack. Salamence is going to have 700 BST to play around with and looking at its design it looks to be getting FASTER. Both excited and worried haha.

Also Lopunny is at least another Gen IV Mega, which is good to see. Also good to see they aren't restricting Megas to solely Hoenn dex Pokemon, so I'm now very excited to see which other surprises we have in store. STILL NO GEN V MEGA THOUGH WHY.

 

[firepanda]

Disappointing they gave Mega Altaria an offensive ability and not a defensive one. Hopefully it gains decent defensive boosts and Pixilate is to make up for not having huge attack increases. At least it gets Hyper Voice and Return, so you can use either physical or special. Physical has Dragon Claw/Outrage, Return and Earthquake, while special has Hyper Voice, Dragon Pulse and Fire Blast. I would have preferred to see something like Regenerator though. The cloud on its head looks silly, but barring that I like it and its new Dragon/Fairy typing.

I agree with the need for defensive megas (so far we've got Venusaur and ...Venusaur?), but now that we know Altaria's offensive it should probably go all-out. That is, there are a lot of Pokemon that have average attack, defense and speed and end up not doing anything. I wouldn't want Altaria to get large defenses but an un-complementary ability that leaves it in no man's land.

Mega Salamence is a massive improvement over regular Salamence imo. Aerilate is a good ability for it since it lacks any good Flying move, but I'm kinda tired of -ate abilities at this point. Just slap them on instead of putting more thought into it (Salamence did need an ability like this for its lack of good Flying STAB to be fair). Mega Salamence is going to be nuts in battle. Dragon Dance + Attack boost + Aerilate Flying moves + other decent coverage moves = death. Mega Pinsir shows how good the ability can make something and Pinsir stats were pretty average barring Attack. Salamence is going to have 700 BST to play around with and looking at its design it looks to be getting FASTER. Both excited and worried haha.

Aerilate was the perfect ability. Hopefully this will raise him from the depths of UU. Extremespeed would make him absolutely perfect.


There seems to be half a page below M-Altaria that we don't have a scan of yet. Considering the double spread seems to be devoted to megas, there is hopefully one more to be seen. (Milotic or Gallade PLEASE.)

 

[Mitchman]

-Altaria although design wise is silly, the typing is amazing. Being offensive works, because you have the previous champ of the types combined with the dethroner, offering an interesting type combo. Not to mention that it never was the hardest Pokemon to take down, with average defense.
-Mega Salamence, the 'Mon to break the metagame. Ridiculously fun is it going to be using it, and like the above said, Extremespeed would allow it to do some massive damage.
-Mega Loppuny. Why. No I don't need an answer, I just need to question the desicion. Its like giving Rattata a mega, there's no reason to.

 

[WindBlast]

Still no goddamn ice mega :'(
GF logic: how to counter a powerful counter for the most powerful type in the game?
1- introduce fairy
2-make fairy weak as f*** on the ohysical side with pisspoor speed.
3-give dragons especially pseudo legends broken megas
Bam balance :3

 

[Zeb]

Extremespeed would allow it to do some massive damage.

It would be STUPIDLY broken with Extreme Speed. I hope Game Freak aren't dumb enough to actually give it Extreme Speed.

 

[Mitchman]

Extremespeed would allow it to do some massive damage.

It would be STUPIDLY broken with Extreme Speed. I hope Game Freak aren't dumb enough to actually give it Extreme Speed.

That's the whole point! I feel if GF are going to go batshit crazy with the type combos or abilities given to already insane Pokemon, they might as well go the whole hog.

 

[Alola]

Extremespeed would allow it to do some massive damage.

It would be STUPIDLY broken with Extreme Speed. I hope Game Freak aren't dumb enough to actually give it Extreme Speed.

That's the whole point! I feel if GF are going to go batshit crazy with the type combos or abilities given to already insane Pokemon, they might as well go the whole hog.

Given its new, clearly aerodynamic design and emphasis on Speed, it is highly likely that it will get Extreme Speed. Besides that, it doesn't really have anything to abuse Aerilate with besides Return/Frustration, Double Edge and Giga Impact. They might throw in Quick Attack and/or Feint, but I really want it to get Extreme Speed. That would be fun. Besides, it isn't like Game Freak hasn't made "broken" things before (Parental Bond, etc). So there isn't a big deal.

 

[WindBlast]

Mence will be broken with flying return. Do not forget that Mence also gets fire blast for steels. Mixmence is back and it is going to destroy the worlds. This thing will be banished to ubers.

 

[Zeb]

Given its new, clearly aerodynamic design and emphasis on Speed, it is highly likely that it will get Extreme Speed. Besides that, it doesn't really have anything to abuse Aerilate with besides Return/Frustration, Double Edge and Giga Impact. They might throw in Quick Attack and/or Feint, but I really want it to get Extreme Speed. That would be fun. Besides, it isn't like Game Freak hasn't made "broken" things before (Parental Bond, etc). So there isn't a big deal.

There is a huge deal. It could spam a +2 priority 156 power move. 156 power is around the same power as a STAB Earthquake on a Ground type. A priority move that beats other priority moves and hits as hard as a STAB Earthquake. And this is coming from something which is likely going to have 150+ Base Attack AND Dragon Dance. Nothing is immune to Flying, it's an incredibly good offensive type (look at Talonflame and Mega Pinsir for proof) and Salamence has enough coverage moves to cover things that Flying doesn't like (e.g. Earthquake covers most Rock and Steels). Talonflame is dumb enough with its +1 Gale Wings Brave Bird.

Mega Salamence doesn't need more than Return, it's already going to be really good with just that. Fairies were one of the biggest problems for Salamence this gen, you either had to run awkward coverages moves like Iron Tail to hit them (giving up a moveslot which could go to better coverage) or you pretty much had to accept it couldn't beat them. Now it has Aerilate Return it doesn't care about Fairies all that much.

This is assuming 155 Base Attack Mega Salamence (only +20) and given it's likely to get a speed boost going by the design it will probably be able to run Adamant Dragon Dance.

Spoiler

+1 252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 490-577 (121.2 - 142.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Florges: 373-439 (103.6 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sylveon: 382-451 (96.9 - 114.4%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 357-421 (90.6 - 106.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO (this is Magic Guard Clef)
252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Unaware Clefable: 238-282 (60.4 - 71.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Togekiss: 424-501 (113.3 - 133.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Togekiss: 304-358 (81.2 - 95.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Aromatisse: 360-424 (88.6 - 104.4%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Granbull: 345-406 (89.8 - 105.7%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

It can live priority from Mega Mawile and Bisharp (with its current stats, so not even including any changes) two of the strongest priority moves in the game and kill them with its coverage no problem (Earthquake/Fire Blast). Defensive behemoth walls like Ferrothorn, Hippowdown, Slowbro are all easily taking around 70% from +1 Return. (Ferrothorn will die to Fire Blast anyway.) Though they could easily have Ice Fang and Ice Beam in the latter two cases (or even T-Wave for Slowbro). It's going to be really good with just Return, it doesn't need Extreme Speed.

Other priority "answers":

Spoiler

+1 252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Thundurus: 213-252 (71 - 84%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

You want to try and Prankster T-Wave it? Good job, because unless your Thundurus is at full health Extreme Speed is hitting first.

+1 252+ Atk Aerilate burned Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 176-207 (57.8 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Even without Extreme Speed, Sableye can burn it first but will still take more damage than it can heal depending on damage rolls.

+1 252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Weavile: 453-534 (160.6 - 189.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Nope, you have no chance of using Ice Shard.

+1 252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mamoswine: 382-451 (105.5 - 124.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Again, you're dead before you hit it with Ice Shard thanks to Extreme Speed.

Also just because they've created broken things before doesn't mean they should be careless about creating more. People are forgetting this is going to be a Pokemon with 700BST, a good offensive typing, great coverage and a set up move. The last thing it needs is 156 power STAB priority move that outspeeds all other priority.

 

[Rainami]

Extremespeed would allow it to do some massive damage.

It would be STUPIDLY broken with Extreme Speed. I hope Game Freak aren't dumb enough to actually give it Extreme Speed.

That's the whole point! I feel if GF are going to go batshit crazy with the type combos or abilities given to already insane Pokemon, they might as well go the whole hog.

Given its new, clearly aerodynamic design and emphasis on Speed, it is highly likely that it will get Extreme Speed. Besides that, it doesn't really have anything to abuse Aerilate with besides Return/Frustration, Double Edge and Giga Impact. They might throw in Quick Attack and/or Feint, but I really want it to get Extreme Speed. That would be fun. Besides, it isn't like Game Freak hasn't made "broken" things before (Parental Bond, etc). So there isn't a big deal.

Eh, it's really unlikely it will get Extremespeed. For one, it's Dragonite's thing to be a Dragon/Flying pseudo with Extremespeed. Two, Extremespeed is, well, uh, extremely rare for a Pokemon to have. Even very fast, aerodynamic-looking Pokemon like Latios don't get it. Thirdly, giving Pokemon new moves mid-gen is rather uncommon. Sure, it happens, like Shiftry with Leaf Blade in this same game, but not often. And lastly, I think Gamefreak has a bit more common sense than that.

 

[Zeb]

Mega Mence won't even need to run Dragon moves. Flying Return, Earthquake, Fire Blast + Dragon Dance will be enough.

 

[firepanda]

I feel awful because I'm looking at Zeb's numbers and laughing my head off. I really hope it gets Extremespeed now: this is Salamence's moment. After slowly sinking into ignominy since competition from Garchomp and fairies IT HAS RETURNED. The logical battler in me knows it will get banned instantly, but still. Garchomp, this is revenge.

I agree that it's highly unlikely though. Extremespeed is such a rare move and they won't change movesets unnecessarily mid-gen (unless move tutors).

 

[WindBlast]

As I said before...Mega mence will be banished to ubers. Fire blast is already too great for a move coverage. Flying return will shatter almost all non resist. And if you are feeling brave, just slap double edge and breakt he metagame.
GF needs to make ice types resist flying spam xd

 

[elveonora]

What's up with the Lopunny hate??? It's good weak Pokemon get Megas too, not just those who are already OU or Uber.
My only complaint are her SUPER slim neck and arms, like what the hell? How can that neck even support its head and how does it swallow food? Also Fighting type with those arms... ugh. They should buff her build a bit.

 

[Rainami]

What's up with the Lopunny hate??? It's good weak Pokemon get Megas too, not just those who are already OU or Uber.
My only complaint are her SUPER slim neck and arms, like what the hell? How can that neck even support its head and how does it swallow food? Also Fighting type with those arms... ugh. They should buff her build a bit.

Indeed, weaker Pokemon getting megas is a good thing. Too bad Gamefreak is stupid and gives most of them to Pokemon who don't need it, sometimes resulting in hilarity such as Mega Garchomp.

Why would a fighting-type who focuses on kicking attacks need arm strength? Lopunny's strongest fighting-move is Jump Kick, after all.

 

[elveonora]

Yes, but base Lopunny has more robust arms than her Mega form, that's why I don't like it. And again the neck... it looks like it would break in two after a single hit in her face.

 

[Solayoh]

Can anyone tell me what has happened to Salamence, it looks like its had its wings amputated.
It looks really weird and freaky, not intimidating at all.

 

[The Outrage]

I'm both happy and sad about Mega Altaria....on one hand, its a Dragon/Fairy, like I always wanted, on another, its typing and ability is exactly what I wanted for Mega Dragonite....

Oh well. At least it gets Dragon Dance STAB Pixilate Return. I doubt it's physical attack is going to go that much higher, but a STAB move reaching ~200 more than makes up for it.

 

[TayRanitar]

I have no comment on mega Salamence at all, hopefully it'll grow on me. :|

I love Mega Altaria it's perfect. Mega Lopunny is good too, lopunny needed a boost.