Mafia Random Messages Mafia! Endgame: Peace & Prosperity At Last! (town wins) 8/30/15

[HumanDawn]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

*shrug* I've had people analyzing the way I talk as evidence of scummy behaviour. FA and Lovandra even admitted to looking for hidden meaning behind my words, when I really just say what's on my mind, even if it's stupid. I can't really convince them that I am town, so I just don't care anymore. Add to the fact that I'm positive the mafia has a strongman to break through the two or three protective roles the town has (Not including the doc).

But I have been giving it some thought, and I hope my insight is useful.

Well, that's part of the game, as bothersome as it may be. Not everyone would understand what you said or meant, which is why in a game like this people get worried and voice their worries. Maniacal Engineer was trying to do it too saying me claiming Town Leader was a possibility for me to trick naive new players into claiming to me, but he was scum faking it to try to cast shade on me. fyi i'm not accusing fa and lovandra of having scummy intentions for suspecting you

Maybe the same reason I don't fully trust either of them, and the reason that I was disturbed that you did.

Have you heard of Bussing? I'm not saying that's what's going on here, but I'm going to keep it in mind.

Also, I was thinking... In most mafias, the mafia only has to tie with the town to win... In this mafia, Engie's role PM said they have to eliminate the town to win... Is it possible, by any stretch of the imagination, that we are lookingat an even number of townies to mafia, to start with?

Yeah I've heard of Bussing, it's not like I'd never suspect them again, but considering their actions and claims and what they have led to and the information they've brought, I am more than willing to work with them.

If we were tied in numbers in Day 1 the Mafia would already have the advantage with being able to kill in the Night. Eliminate the Town or tying with them is the same, I doubt if say, there are 8 Mafia left and 8 Townies left, the game would still be going on unless you want to put PRs in the mix, but I've never seen a game like that and I don't expect Zexy to host what would be the most unbalanced Town:Mafia Mafia game in the site. that non-mafia with 4 Townies and 8 scum doesn't count

I'll be rereading what ME posted and see if there's anything notable to point out. Oh and here's the QT Sword Master made that Maniacal Engineer was in:

Random Messages - QuickTopic free message board hosting

Since ME has probably shared it, or said everything relevant to share in it in the Troll QT anyway. A new one could always be made.

EDIT:

Maniacal Engineer
08-14-2015
08:19 AM ET (US)
Eevee and I had a little chat outside of the thread and this QT. I can't share the details, because it's not my place, but I trust him.

Ohhh right, this must have been where I thought they had outside PMing.

Note all the Gaga/Neosquid doubt in the QT.

 

[Snowy]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

If we were tied in numbers in Day 1 the Mafia would already have the advantage with being able to kill in the Night. Eliminate the Town or tying with them is the same, I doubt if say, there are 8 Mafia left and 8 Townies left, the game would still be going on unless you want to put PRs in the mix, but I've never seen a game like that and I don't expect Zexy to host what would be the most unbalanced Town:Mafia Mafia game in the site. that non-mafia with 4 Townies and 8 scum doesn't count

Hmm... I see your point with regards to that.

Speaking of the QT, @Sword Master;... I know you made it, but was it your idea or Engie's idea?

 

[HumanDawn]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

ME being godfather was hilariously the best outcome possible here, since not only is that mafia down, but it pretty much does our work for us in making certain that Jist is a paranoid cop. This is honestly amazing lmao

literally my reaction

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fa x hr/hr

i ship it

Not sure what to make of Eevee then, but I still don't want to count out the possibility of him being a scumbuddy to ME. Like I said before, it's possible that those PMs were staged with the intent of trying to save Eevee once the ME lynch was sure to go on, and he seemed so oddly reluctant to go against ME (perhaps legitimately confused as to how a copcheck came up mafia on the godfather?). I dunno if a copcheck (not the paranoid one obviously lol) would be good on Eevee or if it is better used on more inactive players who we have less info in general on, but cop's call on what to do this phase.

@Zexy; @returnofmastercrazyhand; Could the scum talk to each other privately Day 2?

If they were staged I think they'd have staged them a lot earlier, but if they were really staged and wanted to be really convincing, wouldn't the optimal move to have been to share all of them, including AussieEevee's? Yet AussieEevee apparently deleted his, and if PM space was really an issue he could have just saved them on his computer or rounded them all up in one PM. I mean, I guess you could bring up the possibility that they didn't go the entire way, but why? Wouldn't that make it harder to trust the staged PMs, as well as fake them with Maniacal Engineer needing to think about replies to posts that don't even exist? Couldn't AussieEevee then be suspected for not sharing his side? He was even hesitant to share them when I asked for them, when if scum was asked to share staged PMs, I'd assume they'd be very eager to.

 

[lovandra]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

I recall host said all official QT are possible, means manson buddy and mafia can talk to each other.

Also, even though they cant PM each other all aussie do is copast the PM content, right? Easy to be faked... it's not like he screenshoot the content *as it's not allowed*.

Spoiler

Also, ive never read only based on words *ive not even that gud enough in english to read beyond what words supposed to mean*. I read behavior, timing of your post, agreesion and frustration level, how the logic works. I also considering several scenario of some general behavior and picked which matched best. My gameplay maybe messy on can be destructive, even for my mental health, and not with 100% guarantee, and weak against more strategical player like HD.

But overall, @AussieEevee; Your 'trust' to ME without any 'prove' just silly and an obvious antitown behaviour. Even if you r a town, this way of play have high possibility hurt town more than necesary.

^same behaviour also shown by progress in early game. But he seems hinted to more newb town than scum but I still not trust him enough.

 

[Snowy]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

But overall, @AussieEevee; Your 'trust' to ME without any 'prove' just silly and an obvious antitown behaviour. Even if you r a town, this way of play have high possibility hurt town more than necesary.

No. Just stop.

I have NO proof that a single one of you is town. Without revealing the role PM, it is impossible to have definite proof. For all I know, HumanDawn could be mafia. You could be mafia. Anyone here can be mafia. You can't prove a negative.

I took a chance and trusted a small number of people. One of them turned out to be the lead Troll. I am sorry if trusting someone is anti-town behaviour.

 

[lovandra]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

Of course there is no way to 100% trust people before they r death and flipped town. *I even never 100% believe on innocent's claim post by host*.

That's why I considered your behaviour to simply 'trust' maybe based on instict is 'dangerous', if not an antitown behaviour.

So you cant blame me or FA or else to scumread you for this reason.

 

[Snowy]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

That's why I considered your behaviour to simply 'trust' maybe based on instict is 'dangerous', if not an antitown behaviour.

Engie is not the only one I have trusted on instinct. HumanDawn and Sword Master are also on this list.

You know, when we started this game, I was intent on playing it safe and staying in my own corner, and not joining any alliances. That was until Sword Master reached out to me.

*shrug* That way would have been the only possible way I could have participated without anti-town behaviour, then.

 

[Gaga]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

I like how, in the QT, everyone who mentioned they trust me/dragel was shot down by ME.

No. Just stop.

May I ask you to stop this?
It's very anti-town, regardless of your alignment. And, honestly, it's a bit rude.

 

[Snowy]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

I quit *shrug*

 

[Feenie]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

I'm so glad with the results of ME's lynch, that was honestly such luck (regarding Jist) omg? What are the odds I'm going to be thinking about that for a while it's amazing

I hate continually asking questions like this, but has Sword Master claimed somewhere and I just... forgot his claim? Trying to better understand why AussieEevee trusts him, and right now I'm a little confused because it doesn't seem like Sword Master has done all that much to make anyone implicitly trust him. I don't.

fa x hr/hr

i ship it

i'm on board

 

[FinalArcadia]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

fa x hr/hr

i ship it

help me, I have an addiction

its name is hr/hr tags and we are very much in love

If they were staged I think they'd have staged them a lot earlier, but if they were really staged and wanted to be really convincing, wouldn't the optimal move to have been to share all of them, including AussieEevee's? Yet AussieEevee apparently deleted his, and if PM space was really an issue he could have just saved them on his computer or rounded them all up in one PM. I mean, I guess you could bring up the possibility that they didn't go the entire way, but why? Wouldn't that make it harder to trust the staged PMs, as well as fake them with Maniacal Engineer needing to think about replies to posts that don't even exist? Couldn't AussieEevee then be suspected for not sharing his side? He was even hesitant to share them when I asked for them, when if scum was asked to share staged PMs, I'd assume they'd be very eager to.

Hmm, that’s an interesting point, and one I hadn’t considered at all in regards to the missing Eevee PMs. I don’t really get deleting PMs from recent phases in a game (which makes the whole thing kinda weird, especially to a PM hoarder like me lol), but if it was staged, yeah, I guess it would seem a bit strange to only go part way in trying to look good. The hesitancy could have been buying time (and thus only why half the conversation was provided), but that only works if scum could communicate that phase. It still rubs me the wrong way given that Eevee has mentioned not having definite proof of anyone’s alignment and that anyone could be mafia… yet he trusted ME seemingly so much. Over people like the very likely masons.

THAT is the problem, FA. I am not choosing my words carefully. The only thing I am trying not to do with words is offend somebody. Looking for hidden meaning in my words wastes your time and frustrates me.

It’s just that players will do that with any other player, and not being able to do that with one because they are adamant about not being careful in word choice (which we don’t know for sure is true anyway, subconscious actions can happen , and you talk about not having definite proof for things, but we don’t have definite proof of what you say being true either) doesn’t seem right. But fine, I’ll drop it for now. Still find your insistence on not looking at your posts closely to be a concern, though.

 

[Zexy]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

ACTIONS LOCKED

UPDATE PENDING

 

[ReturnofMCH]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

Spoiler

1 @jackatlasred;
2 @lovandra;
4 @Rabbit;
6 @TheCapsFan;
7 @DrumBeats;
8 @Kyriaki;
9 @Jistonmyface;
10 @FinalArcadia;
11 @ArvAl;
12 @Leggo;
13 @nghiavip408;
14 @HumanDawn;
15 @Gaga;
16 @Sword Master;
17 @Archmage Dragelsnart;
18 @progressforth;
19. @AussieEevee;
20. @Momoka;

Some people stayed active in the night, discussing while waiting for the trolls to make a move.
Yet nothing happened until day happened.

"Could it be that Enzap was lying?"
"We should continue banning people, Enzap can't be the only troll, what is the purpose of the Quicktopic then?", Shiny Celebi said. She added: "This means that we should continue banning the users that we suspect as trolls for the time being. Let's discuss."

Spoiler

No one died.

It is now Day 3. You have 48 hours.

 

[progressforth]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

Wow! They kept someone alive!

 

[Gaga]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

Good job, Doc ;D

 

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Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

Hooray, we live to fight another day

 

[Zexy]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Night 2: Won the Battle, But the War Isn't Over Yet... 8-1

I will be unable to use Skype for a while. I apologize for not being able to stay logged in there.
You can keep discussing with others or ask returnofmastercrazyhand questions there.
But I would like you to send all actions in PMs for the time being.

 

[progressforth]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Day 3: Huzzah! No Casualties Last Night! 8-18-15

Not only did we have no deaths, I confirmed ArvAl!

ArvAl told me he would protect me tonight after he claimed to me. And so, I Watched myself!
He did visit me, and there were no deaths tonight! I'm glad my plan worked, and it worked the best way possible, with the Mafia targeting me.
My plan has been successful!

 

[HumanDawn]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Day 3: Huzzah! No Casualties Last Night! 8-18-15

FA, since Maniacal Engineer mentioned talking to AussieEevee before Day 2, I'd assume that if they'd ever be staged it would be done beforehand. If I had to guess why AussieEevee trusted him it might be due to the PMs and how Maniacal Engineer was defending him. He might have thought Maniacal Engineer was Town because of how he agreed with him.

This is great news! I got a PM from Zexy in the middle of the phase giving me commuting powers tonight, so thank you to whoever gave them to me, even if I might have not been the Nightkill option tonight. To whoever gave them to me, if you trust me would you mind telling me who you are?

VOTE: jackatlasred

He mentioned having reads or things to say IIRC but never showed them. Same goes for TheCapsFan, where is that guy? I might end up changing this vote really soon depending on what the investigative roles found.

Not only did we have no deaths, I confirmed ArvAl!

ArvAl told me he would protect me tonight after he claimed to me. And so, I Watched myself!
He did visit me, and there were no deaths tonight! I'm glad my plan worked, and it worked the best way possible, with the Mafia targeting me.
My plan has been successful!

why did you just out that somebody has protection powers........... couldn't you have just said this privately....

 

[progressforth]

Re: Random Messages Mafia! Day 3: Huzzah! No Casualties Last Night! 8-18-15

Oh? So you were probably the target then. I guess ArvAl is less confirmed than I hoped, that's alright though. You are a more likely target.