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Mafia Fruit Bowl Mafia - Endgame: That's the Last Strawberry! (Vegetable Victory) 29/01/2016

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leetic said:
@Kakashi Hatake town leader is dead. You're better off publicly claiming anyway, as if we get a mislynch this phase, then the game is over.
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However, looking back this was a big scum move. I should have read that better. But all through the game townread was leetic. Again, well played.
 
silence is boredom

I applaud scum for silencing me as the most active dude but man

also I tried to shoot Zexy N1 because he was so antitown , but my 75% missed.

Meanwhle, I steadied my shot on Kyriaki and shot her with 25% accuracy (100% if she was maf).

So not only was I silenced for like my entire life, but RNG rolls went against me 2/2 times.

Why'd i shoot Kyriaki aka the Bomb (in private) claim? I didn't trust it, frankly. I had two vanilla claims and AussieEevee prattled on about some him-using-vanillas-in-game stuff and between the silence and being skewed by that, i drove my shot on the bomb, anticipating a godfather or being silenced again anyway.

Ahh, the luck :(

Also Mods I don't think you understand, that when a silenced player isn't publically prod'd for inactivity, they are mod-cleared, and faking being silenced won't work under this scenario since mods are obligated to prod inactive people capable of conversation.
 
Elieson said:
Also Mods I don't think you understand, that when a silenced player isn't publically prod'd for inactivity, they are mod-cleared, and faking being silenced won't work under this scenario since mods are obligated to prod inactive people capable of conversation.
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This was a Mod error, and I'm sure AE will address it in his comments post. However, it isn't necessarily a 100% Mod clear.
Granted, you should have been mentioned in the prods for inactivity, but technically it could have been just as likely that you had mentioned to us privately that you would be unable to post for a few days due to something IRL.

Obviously we try to avoid mod-clearing people as much as possible or giving away too much information regarding setup. To that end, announcing the whiff in the update text may not have been the smartest move on my part, but that didn't seem to cause any harm...

Mistakes do happen but ultimately a mod error does not always make or break the game for either side.
Both AE and I are relatively new at hosting games (this being only the second game I ever hosted), so we're still a little rough around the edges.
 
Good play leetic. I actually thought you were town right until the end and it was only until the post game update that you were Mafia. In retrospect, I did wish that wry defended herself more while I was interrogating her. Like I said earlier in that phase, I was relooking through my reads and while you had your fair share of scummy moments, Kakashi and wry looked way more scummy than you at the time.

Anyways, holy hell, I can't believe that I actually survived as survivor. I can't believe that my gambit early on in the game worked. I knew my passive role would benefit town if I at least made a threat that me getting lynched would hurt town. I actually debated hard claiming my role and in hindsight, should have I wanted to help town, I probably should have hard claimed. That way, at least in theory, Mafia would try to scumpaint me.

I did want to comment on town's trying to focus on my ITP. I felt that town's tunneling on me as ITP followed by more one kills per night and lack of activity did cripple town badly, despite having an early lead.

First win for me as ITP. Now I just need to win as Mafia...
 
GG scum! This was close, but you deserved it since you made Elie target a Bomb. As for the YLO this phase... no comments... this was very bad, but Hogwarts was worse.

Flavor text was awesome, great job, ME! Thanks for hosting to both of you!

Balance... balancing Serial Killer is always hard, since they can't win together with any other player you have to make the win chances 33/33/33 instead of 50/50. MU serial killers have godfather and some bulletproof shots to make them balanced. Even worse since Serial Killer and Survivor existed in the same game, as Survivor's wincon is far easier than Serial Killer's by definition, making the game pretty unbalanced right off unless the Serial Killer has extra powers or a "final 5" win condition or something like that. This is not salt because I was SK, I haven't seen an SK game in Bulba for long so I didn't get to discuss SK balance before.
I didn't pay too much attention on town/mafia balance, but I think it wasn't very townleaderish (Elie townleader wasn't close to solving the game).

Knowing that my chances were extremely small anyway, I decided to go "the lazy way" and attempt this playstyle. NOTE: when I claim indep, I am indep. Not necessarily harmless, though... not claiming my role should've ringed you a bell (and it kinda did, to both Elie and Caps).

Town... very inactive, had I not killed Caps you would lose earlier. Lucky d1 lynch is lucky, but the game's not over or anything, keep going! Last phase was a disaster kinda like MLP and Hogwarts... you didn't help confirmed town Elie solve the game (so many claims missing for too much time). Dunno what exactly Elie did wrong (aside from vig-ing the bomb) but it looks like he had no backup and the last mafioso stepped up and seized the chance...

Mafia... gg but lol, 1 died d1, 1 SKilled yet you pulled it off. Well played. leetic MVP.

Pikochu... you played survivor exactly the way it should be played, nice job.
 
IMO:

SK should've had either a BPV or at least an info role or commute
Pikochu's a liar but eh
I never had a backup and never trusted leetic enough to TR him to completion
wry_hermes, I keep hearing is a stellar mafia player, but I'm waiting to see it
I heard maf was gonna silence me again, so I DIED BEFORE THEY COULD HA

Zexy you kinda were playing like "I'm scum claiming ITP, in your face asshats", that's why I _tried_ to shoot you
 
Confirming Elie like that was bad. Aussie, you should've known better since VGM... be careful about these things please!!! Because of precedent, that would require either a modkill on Elie or a boost to mafia's power on the night...
Modkill on dylanpiera was totally fair.
leetic... "I am confirmed town because of these host posts in a bunch of other threads" is unfair advantage. Many hosts would modkill for that, I'll make this a rule in my future games. No attempts to prove your innocence with technicalities!
 
Elieson said:
SK should've had either a BPV or at least an info role or commute
Pikochu's a liar but eh
I never had a backup and never trusted leetic enough to TR him to completion
wry_hermes, I keep hearing is a stellar mafia player, but I'm waiting to see it
I heard maf was gonna silence me again, so I DIED BEFORE THEY COULD HA

Zexy you kinda were playing like "I'm scum claiming ITP, in your face asshats", that's why I _tried_ to shoot you
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Agreed. BPV and investigation-immune is very common.
I don't think so...
... which ruined the town imo, you didn't even trust cop/doc enough?
lol ok she's pretty inactive just good because she's played a lot on many sites
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Meta made it kinda impossible for me to be scum, hence why I tried to fit that in twice in every sentence... I was indeed anti-town, but your views on non-harmful indeps are still a bit harsh imo. They are not confirmed to scumside...
 
I actually got some advice from Soulmaster regarding SK for future reference.
Instead of saying essentially "you are Town, you win when Mafia is defeated," or "you are Mafia, you win when Town is defeated," say instead "you are Town, you win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated," and "you are Mafia, you win when all threats to the Mafia have been eliminated." That way, game had to continue until SK is killed. Granted, SK winning after a Mafia victory isn't going to work, but that means that if it ends up being Town-Mafia-SK as the final three and SK doesn't get lynched, SK always wins. Or if it is Town-Mafia-SK during a Night phase and SK isn't targeted, SK wins.

FYI: this is how I will be phrasing all of my role PMs from now on, so don't automatically assume that there is a Serial Killer if you see that text.

Also, SK was investigation immune. At least from the Cop. Zexy was IGN's first check. He turned up non-Scummy.

Juicer is an interesting mechanic that I'll discuss when I go over the items in detal. That'll be after work though...
 
Yeah, that too, any other wording practically makes the game unwinnable for SK.
Although the wording implies the existence of harmful ITPs, it can't be helped though. Which is why wording like that all the time is the better way to go, Soulmaster's right.
Also, if any players are guaranteed to be unable to reach their wincon, they should be immediately killed off.
 
Also, you should be extremely careful of what you say even in mafia QT, hosts...

"Obviously I can't confirm is Pikochu is ITP but I will theorize...

IF you are correct in your assumptions, then it's 1v1v1... Depending on a few factors, but that would indeed be endgame in your favour, especially if the only remaining town player is silenced.

If you and the ITP were to vote different targets, it would be a no lynch and you would take out the remaining town during the night phase. and if you and the ITP were to vote the same target, the game would end that phase.

So in the case of 2v1v1, the game would not end but 1v1v1, it would end in your favour... Especially if the remaining town is unable to vote."

This says that Piko may or may not be ITP, but immediately assumes that he is not any kind of harmful ITP in the next line, because if Piko was SK or something like that things would be really different. This indirectly confirms Piko as ITP... if you add in the talk about silencer I think it confirms even more, such as there not being any roleblockers or that votes can be easily controlled etc etc
 
Zexy said:
Agreed. BPV and investigation-immune is very common.
I don't think so...
... which ruined the town imo, you didn't even trust cop/doc enough?


Meta made it kinda impossible for me to be scum, hence why I tried to fit that in twice in every sentence... I was indeed anti-town, but your views on non-harmful indeps are still a bit harsh imo. They are not confirmed to scumside...
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I trusted the Cop, the roleblocker and the Doc but with as slowly as claims came to me, it was hard to put trust in anybody. Slife was where most of my trust was, but considering D2/D3 I was unable to do anything, building trust was limited to nights for essentially all game

Also considering Serial Killers win when Town & Mafia are dead, that's anti-Town, and hence, you were anti-town.

You noticed I didn't shoot overnight, right? That's because he wasn't coming across as a threat in the same way in which you were
 
leetic said:
Well, that was my first ever time playing as Mafia, and I won! Beginner's luck I guess.
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Not at all! You played every one of your parts perfectly, exactly how I would have done it! Although the difference is that I would have gotten caught doing it and lost the game. Kudos to you!
 
Now that the game is over, I do have a few things that need to be cleared out.

@Zexy's impossible win condition
We realized half way through day 2 that we gave the serial killer an impossible wincon. Both the veggies and the fruits specifically say that they win if the other team is killed. This rendered the serial killer with no way to win because once either mafia or town was eliminated, the game would be over.

We do apologize for this mis-steak.

Elieson was mod-confirmed town
No, Elieson wasn't... and here's my reasoning.

1. Leetic was able to target anyone, town, mafia or ITP. This would exclude them from ALL communication and also protect them from the inactivity timer.

2. Silencer is not a scum-exclusive role. I myself have been town silencer twice now. It's a role that I found to be anti-town, but another player could find it useful for the town. My cohost could have decided to include it to mess with the town.

AussieEevee hates vanilla
It's true. It's very true. But there is two things to consider here, and the reason why vanilla was included in this setup.

First is that my cohost has made changes to my setup.

Second is that I do hate vanilla but I consider it a necessary evil. Vanilla, Goon and voteless do assist in balancing the game out, especially if there are big power roles on either team.

Lynching the host was pointless
Again, my cohost is a troll...

Originally, Pikochu's survivor powers belonged to the host... If you lynch the host, you are safe from a night killer... and vice versa.

These powers were then removed from the host later in production and given to Chocolate, the survivor.

The cohost then requested that I invert them... if chocolate was lynched, there would be no lynch the next day phase, etc.

So that is the story of what happened to the lynching the host rewards.

I will be lynchable in ALL future games I host... sometimes I will give something when I die, sometimes I won't. It's a gamble. Are you feeling lucky? Go ahead and lynch/nk me :p

Two teams exist
Yes, someone noticed this on... Day 1? I think it was.

These words were chosen very very carefully... Two teams exist.

There is no "I" in team, and a team is not made up of single players. Meaning that Zexy and Pikochu were not counted in that classification of two teams.



And now that I've said my peas-ce.... The usual questions need to be asked... Did you enjoy the game? Did you think the game was balanced? Would you play with either host again? Will you be here when Fruit Bowl Mafia returns?




Congratulations Vegetables... and a big congrats to Leetic for turning around the game.
 
Zexy said:
Also, you should be extremely careful of what you say even in mafia QT, hosts...

"Obviously I can't confirm is Pikochu is ITP but I will theorize...

IF you are correct in your assumptions, then it's 1v1v1... Depending on a few factors, but that would indeed be endgame in your favour, especially if the only remaining town player is silenced.

If you and the ITP were to vote different targets, it would be a no lynch and you would take out the remaining town during the night phase. and if you and the ITP were to vote the same target, the game would end that phase.

So in the case of 2v1v1, the game would not end but 1v1v1, it would end in your favour... Especially if the remaining town is unable to vote."

This says that Piko may or may not be ITP, but immediately assumes that he is not any kind of harmful ITP in the next line, because if Piko was SK or something like that things would be really different. This indirectly confirms Piko as ITP... if you add in the talk about silencer I think it confirms even more, such as there not being any roleblockers or that votes can be easily controlled etc etc
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Actually, the first line was very specifically worded as to the fact that i was going along with Leetics assumptions in order to answer his question on how the win would work. :)
 
WOW @ Serial Killer wincon being ALWAYS impossible. The role needed better balancing anyway…

Silencer SHOULD be always anti-town, but whatever. There should still be no confirmation that someone was silenced. Even a “fake” warning on Elie could’ve done the trick.

Also, while vanilla/goon do indeed help in balancing, voteless does not. You might as well not include the slot in the game in the first place. It also makes the game unfun for the player who gets it.

The wording “team” was indeed good in the OP, but bad in the wincons because of SK’s impossible one…
 
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