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Preview JN046: Battle and Catch! The Revival of Mewtwo

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Black&White said:
Did you forget Raboot took out a GMAXed Garbodor and a Zapdos? If it's that strong as Raboot it will be even stronger as a Cinderace.
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And thanks to Flygon I guess. He is not strong, he is bad written and he took a random guy Garbodor. Congrats.

Black&White said:
And it doesn't matter that Lucario has more experience since it is a Steel type against Cinderace's Fire
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Why dont you watch the anime since the begining. I suggest episode 9 of the Original Series "School of Hard Knocks". Maybe you will finally get that experience and training in the anime universe are more important that types.

Black&White said:
Even if you disregard Zapdos there is still the incredible feat of Go defeating a Dojo Master. That's proof of him being strong enough to beat Ash. And he should
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And "Incredible feat" that we did not even see... Where you there to know it was incredible? It could have been a fluke as long as we know.


Black&White said:
I assure you I'm quite serious in my claims
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Are you sure about that?

Cause you repeat, repeat and repeat things wishing they become true. I'm not the most suitable person for saying this knowing my hate on how Team Rocket is being written this season and how I complain . But instead of repeating the same things again and again. Do you care to elaborate from a reliable perspective why do you think Goh should have everything he wishes and why must he defeat Ash?

We are trying to make a discussion here but when you come arround this enters into a loophole. And I'm getting a bit tired of it to be fair.
 
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FinnishPokéFan92 said:
It didn't win. It was hopelessly overpowered at the end.

Also, I'm thinking this thread is slipping off-topic.
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I know. But taking Black and Whites argument, if Raboot won against Zapdos, Talonflame won against Moltres (And Noivern won against Zapdos), while we know its not the case.
 
Fine, I'll stop talking in circles. The last thing I'll say is that I think Go could defeat Ash regardless of whatever Pokemon uses
 
It's kind of amazing that Black&White somehow managed to drag the discussion of "Goh should defeat Ash because reasons" this long, because not only do we not even have any context for the fight itself, there's even a good chance that it won't even have an actual conclusion because Mewtwo will interrupt it. That said, I do believe that the battle will be kinda like how Ash's Charizard vs Iris's Dragonite went down, in that although a winner won't technically be decided, Ash's Pokemon will have the clear edge thanks to being more experienced.
 
Was Mewtwo Strikes Back actually canon to the series? I watched it like nine years ago on a VHS tape, but never saw it again.
 
Reborn Talonflame said:
Was Mewtwo Strikes Back actually canon to the series? I watched it like nine years ago on a VHS tape, but never saw it again.
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Yes, it is one of the only two movies that ties in directly with the series (Genesect and the Legend Awakened did too but only very loosely). There's a couple of Original Series episodes that set up the events of Mewtwo Strikes Back.
 
I mentally cannot fathom Goh beating Ash.
Ash tied against May at the end of the Advanced series, but even that was in May’s element of Contest battles.
Sure, Goh will probably be a better battler than May, and could be by this episode, but seeing Goh outstrength the trainer that drew with Bea...would be an incredible disservice to the countless trainers that participate within the PWC.
One thing I’ve learnt about the anime is that the trainers learn a lot about other trainers - it’s harder to beat a trainer that you know nothing about, whilst they know about you. Paul said in the Sinnoh League that he was able to predict everyone of Ash’s moves with Drapion, after he knocked out Gastrodon, since he knew how each of his Pokemon would fight. Ash has seen Goh mainly use Cinderace at all points across the series, and with his lack of experience, there’s no way Goh could catch him off guard; when Goh catches Zapdos off guard, it’s mainly using Ash’s style. Ash is way more unpredictable, and this is why Goh shouldn’t beat Ash

I can’t really decide if Goh’s a really, really spoilt child. I mean, he works hard enough, but that doesn’t really mean anything in correlation to his attitude to everything else.
I understand it’s his passion, but man...maybe let Ash fight a legendary (I honestly think all Ash wants to do is fight against strong Pokemon, not capture them - reason behind me thinking Ash won’t capture Mewtwo), then try to catch it?
Do you guys think Goh is spoilt (Not a writer’s pet)?
 
Reborn Talonflame said:
but man...maybe let Ash fight a legendary (I honestly think all Ash wants to do is fight against strong Pokemon, not capture them - reason behind me thinking Ash won’t capture Mewtwo), then try to catch it?
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It’s not like Goh told Ash not to engage with Zapdos, Ash purposefully let Goh do it alone because Ash could tell that Goh was feeling like giving up. It would’ve been a huge step in Goh’s goal and Ash knew that, so he wanted to encourage Goh to keep going. I’m sure they’ll encounter plenty of legendaries down the road and they’ll both get their time in the spotlight. Ash doesn’t really want to capture legendaries, he just wants to have cool battles with them.
 
Eclipsical said:
It’s not like Goh told Ash not to engage with Zapdos, Ash purposefully let Goh do it alone because Ash could tell that Goh was feeling like giving up. It would’ve been a huge step in Goh’s goal and Ash knew that, so he wanted to encourage Goh to keep going. I’m sure they’ll encounter plenty of legendaries down the road and they’ll both get their time in the spotlight. Ash doesn’t really want to capture legendaries, he just wants to have cool battles with them.
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I was originally going to type that, but as you can see...I was rambling on quite a bit.
 
A sadistic part of me has been wanting to see Ash just decimate Gou in a battle, but realistically I'd be happy if it's a fairly even fight and a narrow victory for Ash. A tie/interruption (while very likely) would be pretty cliche.
 
Reborn Talonflame said:
Was Mewtwo Strikes Back actually canon to the series? I watched it like nine years ago on a VHS tape, but never saw it again.
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Neo Blaze said:
Yes, it is one of the only two movies that ties in directly with the series (Genesect and the Legend Awakened did too but only very loosely). There's a couple of Original Series episodes that set up the events of Mewtwo Strikes Back.
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Most movies prior to movie 20 are confirmed to be canon with the main series:

Movie 1: Setup episodes with with Mewtwo before the movie.
Movie 2: Ash and James mention meeting the Lugia from this movie later.
Mewtwo Returns
I know it's a special and not a movie, but I'll still mention it here to show why it's canon too, since it's a sequel to the first movie.
: Brock vaguely remembers Giovanni in a Hoenn episode. He's only ever met him in this special.
Movie 7: Drew's hometown is later mentioned to be the city from this movie, and the professor from the movie is also mentioned later.
Movie 8: Ash's Aura abilities are revealed here.
Movie 10: Dawn buys a Lunar Wing, which is later seen in the main series.
Movie 11-12: Direct sequels to movie 10.
Movie 16: The Genesect Army is seen in a flashback in the main series.
 
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FinnishPokéFan92 said:
Most movies prior to movie 20 are confirmed to be canon with the main series:

Movie 1: Setup episodes with with Mewtwo before the movie.
Movie 2: Ash and James mention meeting the Lugia from this movie later.
Mewtwo Returns
I know it's a special and not a movie, but I'll still mention it here to show why it's canon too, since it's a sequel to the first movie.
: Brock vaguely remembers Giovanni in a Hoenn episode. He's only ever met him in this special.
Movie 7: Drew's hometown is later mentioned to be the city from this movie, and the professor from the movie is also mentioned later.
Movie 9: Ash's Aura abilities are revealed here.
Movie 10: Dawn buys a Lunar Wing, which is later seen in the main series.
Movie 11-12: Direct sequels to movie 10.
Movie 16: The Genesect Army is seen in a flashback in the main series.
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Yes. But what I meant is that there are only two movies that have their plot directly set up in the main anime. I'm well aware that there are many tiny details that make other movies canon as well.
 
A small sadistic part of me wants Goh to beat Ash just to see how the fandom would react. :ROFLMAO:

But my more rational side knows this likely ending in a draw.

Lucario is a longtime Shillmon. Cinderace is the newest Shillmon.
I can see this battle going either way.

Btw I don't Cinderace beating Lucario in a battle would make Goh a Gary Stu. It would just speak volumes about how powerful that Rabbit is and how much they trying trying so darn HARD to push it.

Cinderace's bio on Pokémon website said it's got some of the most powerful kicks of all time. And it has the Strongest signature move out of any Starter ever.



Twilight-Kun said:
hahaha

Thinking typing means anything in the anime

hahaha
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To be fair Mega Zard is partially Dragon Type. Even if this show did actually care about Type Advantages, Greninja still wouldn't have caused Mega Zard much harm.

But I agree on everything else
 
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nickdt said:
The problem is Go defeating Ash diminishes every feat Ash has gotten so far, since Go doesn't train his Pokemon.
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It's not like it's the first time Ash has lost to a beginner. Remember Trip?
 
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