Starter Discussion

[Bayushiyojiro]

Re: Starter Discussion and Speculation

i hope your hat is seasoned properly, because either GF is trolling us, or fennekin is being groomed more and more toward a fairy-type. though id be okay with either type combination.

im still taking froakie first time through (since my brothers will have chespin and fennekin and we will be trading eggs when we can)

and im hoping chespin and forakie end up with interesting type combos. i could see fire/fairy, grass/steel(or rock), and water/fighting(like a faster polewrath) or dark(depending if they go a ninja route or otherwise).

It seems really unlikely they would introduce a new type by dropping a starter with that typing into the game. I can understand looking at the pokemon's design how one could make the jump to fairy type, but it seems to fit more naturally into the trio as a psychic pokemon. I'd also take into account how long the fandom has been clammering for a dual water/grass/fire + psychic/dark/fighting trio as starters and how much these new games appear to be appealing to the fans as a good suggestion that it's more likely psychic. I guess all we can do at this point is assume though!

i would be quite okay with that trio as well, though im finding it harder and harder to believe chespin will end up dark unless his final form is a MASSIVE shelgon-esque transformation. he just seems too happy-go-lucky and pudgy and such to be dark. they will keep us guessing on fennekin and theres really no clear indication of ANYTHING regarding froakies possible 2nd type anymore. im just hoping they dont do the lame thing of only giving one a dual type.... or leaving one out. gen 4 was the only time they did it right... and gen 2 .. was nice having all pure-types but i dont need a repeat there either....

 

[DCM]

Re: Starter Discussion and Speculation

i hope your hat is seasoned properly, because either GF is trolling us, or fennekin is being groomed more and more toward a fairy-type. though id be okay with either type combination.

im still taking froakie first time through (since my brothers will have chespin and fennekin and we will be trading eggs when we can)

and im hoping chespin and forakie end up with interesting type combos. i could see fire/fairy, grass/steel(or rock), and water/fighting(like a faster polewrath) or dark(depending if they go a ninja route or otherwise).

It seems really unlikely they would introduce a new type by dropping a starter with that typing into the game. I can understand looking at the pokemon's design how one could make the jump to fairy type, but it seems to fit more naturally into the trio as a psychic pokemon. I'd also take into account how long the fandom has been clammering for a dual water/grass/fire + psychic/dark/fighting trio as starters and how much these new games appear to be appealing to the fans as a good suggestion that it's more likely psychic. I guess all we can do at this point is assume though!

i would be quite okay with that trio as well, though im finding it harder and harder to believe chespin will end up dark unless his final form is a MASSIVE shelgon-esque transformation. he just seems too happy-go-lucky and pudgy and such to be dark. they will keep us guessing on fennekin and theres really no clear indication of ANYTHING regarding froakies possible 2nd type anymore. im just hoping they dont do the lame thing of only giving one a dual type.... or leaving one out. gen 4 was the only time they did it right... and gen 2 .. was nice having all pure-types but i dont need a repeat there either....

If Froakie is truly a "ninja frog" pokemon, then the chances of him being dark are way up. Ninja's standard go to skills are espionage, stealth, and general sneakiness, which definitely (in my mind) plays into dark typing. Chespin (to say what everyone else is saying) will probably be fighting, think a knight. Again, this is all assumption, so for all I know, I could be totally wrong

 

[Bayushiyojiro]

Re: Starter Discussion and Speculation

fighting doesnt really strike me as a 'knight' which is why i thought steel felt more appropriate. (steel: armor, etc) the ninja motif for froakie could easily go fighting OR dark depending (think naruto-esque ninja versus a Dungeons and dragons style rogue/ninja/thief), and fennekin can be psychic or fairy, because the two types are stylistically very similar, while id argue the fairy-type more accurately encompasses 'magic/mysticism' that would be involved in the mage/witch motif he is putting off so far.. its still up in the air.

 

[Gaga]

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Fennekin would seem to make more sense as Fire/Fairy but it has two confirmed Psychic moves by this point. It also uses its twig as a wand so that would suggest something similar to Alakazam and its spoon. Though, of course, a wand could easily allude to a Fairy type just as much, if not more.

And then there's the so far accurate rumors that state it is Fire/Psychic. So many mysteries and only one month to go

 

[Tensho]

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So far from all the Fairy moves I've seen, I don't think Fairy in Pokemon is associated with magic. Psychic is associated with magic makes more sense because Psychic is brain, intelligent, knowledge related and magic is all about those. People, you need to drop the Fairy should be called Magic Type instead line of thought. Fairy in Pokemon goes the route of glamour, aka cute, beautiful, majestic. Look at all their moves so far, Draining Kiss (kissing), Round/Puppy/Beady eyes (cuteness), Charm (cuteness), Geomancy (still no word of confirmation that it's Fairy type but it's beauuuutiiiifullll), Fairy Wind (very breezy wind so it's like a scenery porn), Moon Blast (the moon is beautiful and to look at). For those of you who don't read or research mythology. The word glamour itself come from fairy's ability to make thing to look not quite as it seems. It's the power that all fairy have that distinguish them from other supernatural entities.

All that, I think Fennekin would be Psychic not Fairy.

 

[Zeta]

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Glamour is just a type of magic that focuses on illusions.

 

[Bayushiyojiro]

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So far from all the Fairy moves I've seen, I don't think Fairy in Pokemon is associated with magic. Psychic is associated with magic makes more sense because Psychic is brain, intelligent, knowledge related and magic is all about those. People, you need to drop the Fairy should be called Magic Type instead line of thought. Fairy in Pokemon goes the route of glamour, aka cute, beautiful, majestic. Look at all their moves so far, Draining Kiss (kissing), Round/Puppy/Beady eyes (cuteness), Charm (cuteness), Geomancy (still no word of confirmation that it's Fairy type but it's beauuuutiiiifullll), Fairy Wind (very breezy wind so it's like a scenery porn), Moon Blast (the moon is beautiful and to look at). For those of you who don't read or research mythology. The word glamour itself come from fairy's ability to make thing to look not quite as it seems. It's the power that all fairy have that distinguish them from other supernatural entities.

All that, I think Fennekin would be Psychic not Fairy.

the problem is that fairy is trying to encompass things typically under the normal/psychic spectrum, so obviously it will look similar. but looking at fairy types like.. gardevoir and even mawile... they arent cute little floating pixies, it was this that led me down the 'fairy is kind of a bad name given what they are emcompassing' road. but even ignoring that... fairies/faeries by definition in most if not all mythologies are 'magical' creatures. so saying fairies arent associated with magic is ignorant. fairies fall under the 'fae' category of magical creatures, which can often encompass elves, gnomes, sprites, fairies, nymphs, dryads, naiads, and many other forms of mystical or magical (and typically more humanoid) creatures. fae can also emcompass benevolent undead (which is why some suggest mismagius) and even certain demons (though they would be more typically covered by dark type in poke-land).

fennekin could be either and i would be happy. but the magical lean (magic wand/witch motif) and leading me to believe she is closer to fairy than psychic, though her learned moves are leaning her to psychic.

 

[Tensho]

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Glamour is just a type of magic that focuses on illusions.

True, but magic or not is depended on some fiction writer. Most of the time, when you heard fairy, it's glamour. But it's sometime described as more than merely illusion magic. It's what make the sidhes appeared as inhumanly beautiful. In some fiction and tabletop rpg, it's always described as a separated power that only fairy has. Terry Prachett book's describe that glamour doesn't just make the elf in that fictional world look beautiful, it also make people unable to harm them because people would perceive themsleves as inferior to the elves.

 

[Zeta]

Re: Starter Discussion and Speculation

I can only assume that if the Chespin Grass/Dark rumors are true that the Chespin line has a similar arc to Oshawott's extremely goofy and cute first two stages followed by a final stage that is very intimidating and only tangentially related to the first two.

 

[Tensho]

Re: Starter Discussion and Speculation

So far from all the Fairy moves I've seen, I don't think Fairy in Pokemon is associated with magic. Psychic is associated with magic makes more sense because Psychic is brain, intelligent, knowledge related and magic is all about those. People, you need to drop the Fairy should be called Magic Type instead line of thought. Fairy in Pokemon goes the route of glamour, aka cute, beautiful, majestic. Look at all their moves so far, Draining Kiss (kissing), Round/Puppy/Beady eyes (cuteness), Charm (cuteness), Geomancy (still no word of confirmation that it's Fairy type but it's beauuuutiiiifullll), Fairy Wind (very breezy wind so it's like a scenery porn), Moon Blast (the moon is beautiful and to look at). For those of you who don't read or research mythology. The word glamour itself come from fairy's ability to make thing to look not quite as it seems. It's the power that all fairy have that distinguish them from other supernatural entities.

All that, I think Fennekin would be Psychic not Fairy.

the problem is that fairy is trying to encompass things typically under the normal/psychic spectrum, so obviously it will look similar. but looking at fairy types like.. gardevoir and even mawile... they arent cute little floating pixies, it was this that led me down the 'fairy is kind of a bad name given what they are emcompassing' road. but even ignoring that... fairies/faeries by definition in most if not all mythologies are 'magical' creatures. so saying fairies arent associated with magic is ignorant. fairies fall under the 'fae' category of magical creatures, which can often encompass elves, gnomes, sprites, fairies, nymphs, dryads, naiads, and many other forms of mystical or magical (and typically more humanoid) creatures. fae can also emcompass benevolent undead (which is why some suggest mismagius) and even certain demons (though they would be more typically covered by dark type in poke-land).

fennekin could be either and i would be happy. but the magical lean (magic wand/witch motif) and leading me to believe she is closer to fairy than psychic, though her learned moves are leaning her to psychic.

I'm not saying that fairy pokemon are all cute. I'm saying they are appealing. Gardevoir in the pokemon world is perceived as a beautifully feminine pokemon, so it's appealing. Mawile is a deceiver, but not the type of deceiver that lie with their mouth but lie with their look then bite with their second mouth. Sure you can say that it's not a cute pokemon, but without the second mouth, it would look pretty appealing, and in the anime, Meowth (correct me if I'm wrong), fall head over heel for a Mawile.

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

Re: Starter Discussion and Speculation

Anyone who says that seeing Hariboogu doesn't immediately make them to want to hug it is either lying or has no heart.

 

[Bayushiyojiro]

Re: Starter Discussion and Speculation

i can see it either way there. its just that fairy (by the name) lends itself to magic, whether that was GF's intention or not. its tough to see a clear direction when you have pokemon like azumarill, gardevoir and mawile all attaining the type for different reasons. gardevoir the beautiful and magical inclined elf-esque 'fae', mawile the trickster sprite/oni, and azumarill the.. umm round water rabbit (frankly im stumped there). even a cotton candy creature is a 'fairy'. its hard ot figure out what their intent is for the type to truly represent, which does leave pokemon like fennekin open to potentially becoming one as well.

 

[colours]

Re: Starter Discussion and Speculation

In reply to the last page of posts...

I believe that if Chespin were a Grass/Rock, it could turn more offensive. I just don't want it to be outclassed by Cradily, y'know? So in that sense, I'd like it to be more offensive than what Cradily is now. If it's Grass/Steel, then there's a good chance that it would more offensive than Ferrothorn. Either way, I can definitely see this being a more offensively oriented Pokemon. Problem is, I'm starting not to expect much Speed-wise, but honestly? As long as it has decent bulk and resistances, I don't even think that would matter.

 

[Dr. Buni]

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The official site was updated! The starters' evolutions names are Quilladin, Braixen and Frogadier.

 

[colours]

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Quilladin...I saw this post on another forum, thought I'd share it:

Quilladin?!From Paladin?!!
I love that name sooooo much!I hope its evo will have a lance or 2 shields one on each arm to intensify defense!

I'd definitely be interested in this also. As long as it looks badass, though I'd personally like some offense with that defense. u__u Quilladin and Paladin does sound alike, so maybe this could lead to something about its third evo...

 

[Dr. Buni]

Re: Starter Discussion and Speculation

The paladin reference in Quilladin's name is quite obvious. I am more curious about Braixen and Frogadier's names. What do they mean?

 

[Zeb]

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Paladin is so much better than what I thought it was from, because... uh, I thought it was from aladdin haha oh dear.

Braixen is branch and vixen and Frogadier is frog and brigadier.

 

[colours]

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Paladin is so much better than what I thought it was from, because... uh, I thought it was from aladdin haha oh dear.

Braixen is branch and vixen and Frogadier is frog and brigadier.

At least this raises my hopes (somewhat) as to what Quilladin's final evo might be. I'm thinking it would still be round and fat, but tough looking, as well. Think Excadrill, but with spikes like Ferrothorn. That would be super cool!

 

[Ampharos King]

Re: Starter Discussion and Speculation

I like how Braixen lights the twig on its tail with the flame coming out of its ears before attacking.

Many forest fires will be started by this pokemon.

Braixen is branch and vixen.

Or Braixen can be a combination of braise (live coal) and vixen.

 

[The Outrage]

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The paladin reference in Quilladin's name is quite obvious. I am more curious about Braixen and Frogadier's names. What do they mean?

Frog + Brigadier seemed more obvious. According to Bulbapedia, Braixen is Braise (Fr. for "live coal") and Vixen, but I guess it could also be Branch and Vixen, but given Fennekin's theme of "Kindle" I'd guess the former.