Generation VI: The Future

[Lysson]

There is a small chance that what GF meant by 'we want to surprise you' is either that there will be two versions with two completely different storylines that stemmed from XY (I do think this is what will happen, so it'll be X2/Y2) OR they do a prequel and a sequel to XY for the version differences.

It just seems like a decent business strategy, Fire Emblem has done it with IF and people would have an incentive to buy both games.

 

[Morningstar]

Zygarde appearing in the special feature trailer really means next to nothing. If I remember correctly, early on in movie promos, sometimes Pokemon and legends that had nothing t do with the finished product would appear anyways, like Lugia and Ho-Oh for that Zoroark trailer. Let's just assume this simply means that movie 19 is confirmed and nothing else, especially if it's related to the core games.

Yeah for now let's take this with a grain of Shoal Salt. Worse case Scenario, Zygarde becomes the Legendary version of Porygon2/Z. and we skip to gen VII

Realistically even if Zygarde is the move star (a little likely, but not much) then that would still not guarantee anything about the games, in fact there are a few cases of lore about the legendaries being exclusive to the anime movies (Lugia: it's connection to the birds is only mentioned in 2000, and the PMD spinoffs. Lati@s: The Soul Dew etomoly was only glimsed in Heroes and its just a power booster in the games.) and if you think that don;t count becuase they were meant to preview the next generation, that would actually just make it more likely as there is only one Mythical Pokemon left (Volcanion), the alleged 3rd version mascots sahred the spotlight of a Mythical pokemon at the time (Raquayza/Deoxys, Giratina/Shaymin and Kyurem/Keldio) meaning that for all we know a Zygarde/Volcanion movie the only thing guaranteed, And I wouden't be surprised if a 7th Gen pokemon was also in this movie

 

[Zeb]

Zygarde appearing in the special feature trailer really means next to nothing.

Last few years have all been correct.

2014 - Primal Groudon and Kyogre
2013 - Xerneas and Yveltal
2012 - Genesect

If we have to go even further back

2011 - can't remember but probably on Serebii somewhere
2010 - Victini (and the whole Pokebeach fiasco)

There's no reason for you to play devil's advocate here anyway; Zygarde and Volcanion are both next in line for movie appearances, so it's likely next year's will include both either way, unless you expect them to ignore these two until 2017? If so, what do you think is going to star in the movie?

If I remember correctly, early on in movie promos, sometimes Pokemon and legends that had nothing t do with the finished product would appear anyways, like Lugia and Ho-Oh for that Zoroark trailer. Let's just assume this simply means that movie 19 is confirmed and nothing else, especially if it's related to the core games.

Completely different circumstances, all the Gen IV legendaries had had their movies by that point and HGSS was in the middle of being promoted iirc. And not to mention that was about six(?) years ago anyway so isn't the most relevant.

 

[BlackButterfree]

I don't think they'll hint towards 7th gen yet, they've been trying to keep new Pokemon under wraps lately. Zygarde and Volcanion are a given, besides that they might do Eternal Flower Floette or an older legendary. They'll certainly be promoting Zygarde, Volcanion, and Eternal Flower Floette in the new game.

Thousand Waves and Thousand Arrows implies that it's not going to be Z, it'll be two versions. Probably XY2, there's a lot they can do to develop Kalos still.

They'll definitely hint at Generation 7. The final movie of each Gen. always has a new Pokémon.

M02 (last Kanto movie) featured Lugia.
M05 (last Johto movie) featured Latios and Latias.
M09 (last Hoenn movie) featured Manaphy.
M13 (last Sinnoh movie) featured Zoroark.
M16 (last Unova movie) featured Mega Mewtwo Y.

They have no more Legendaries, so unless they start making movies around old legends for no reason, or start making movies about Mega's (like how M17 was originally marketed) this upcoming M19 is the final Kalos movie.

I strongly feel like Eternal Flower Floette is going to go the Meloetta route and get an anime arc. After all, Lysandre and Team Flare are still notably absent, as is AZ. The anime wouldn't just gloss over the only plot the games had and not give us the Ultimate Weapon arc.

Also, two moves doesn't imply two games. It only implies we'll get something, which is all but confirmed by the Zygarde movie teaser. We could very well get both moves in one game.

 

[SammyW27]

What this means is that we're getting Z or X2/Y2 or V/W. But we're definitely getting one more Kalos game. Most likely in the fall. Meaning they're not doing bullMuk for the 20th anniversary. :'( I would've killed a thousand Milotic for a Yellow remake in February.

I don't know...they released Emerald and the Gen 1 Remakes in the same year

 

[Tuoko]

Since the 19th movie is going to focus on Zygarde and probably Volcanion, I wonder if a Generation 7 Pokemon will show up as well? Though, they could go the Generation 4 route, but it's something to consider.

Gen 1 - At the same time Mew was marketed - Togepi ( it debuted a month before the movie came out), Donphan, Snubbull, and Marill
Gen 2 - At the same time Celebi was marketed - Kecleon, Azurill, and Wailmer
Gen 3 - At the same time Deoxys was marketed - Munchlax
Gen 4 - After Arceus was marketed - Zorua and Zoroark
Gen 5 - At the same time Genesect was marketed - Mega Mewtwo Y and Sylveon

Another question is: When are they going to announce the two games? I think they could announce it sometime in October-January and release it sometime in June-August.

 

[BlackButterfree]

What this means is that we're getting Z or X2/Y2 or V/W. But we're definitely getting one more Kalos game. Most likely in the fall. Meaning they're not doing bullMuk for the 20th anniversary. :'( I would've killed a thousand Milotic for a Yellow remake in February.

I don't know...they released Emerald and the Gen 1 Remakes in the same year

True. Gen. 1 remakes came a few weeks in January before their anniversary, while Emerald came late September. I could see Thunder Yellow in February and Z in September. I'd love it, but I don't think so. At all.

 

[HRRlion]

Since the 19th movie is going to focus on Zygarde and probably Volcanion, I wonder if a Generation 7 Pokemon will show up as well? Though, they could go the Generation 4 route, but it's something to consider.

Gen 1 - At the same time Mew was marketed - Togepi ( it debuted a month before the movie came out), Donphan, Snubbull, and Marill
Gen 2 - At the same time Celebi was marketed - Kecleon, Azurill, and Wailmer
Gen 3 - At the same time Deoxys was marketed - Munchlax
Gen 4 - After Arceus was marketed - Zorua and Zoroark
Gen 5 - At the same time Genesect was marketed - Mega Mewtwo Y and Sylveon

Another question is: When are they going to announce the two games? I think they could announce it sometime in October-January and release it sometime in June-August.

Mega Evolution Special IV is back in Kalos and that's coming fall so I'd wager we'd get an announcement around that. Then they could reveal a brand new mega that debuts in the special. Maybe...Octoberish? Would be after Yokai Watch's US release. But then Super Mystery Dungeon throws a spanner in the works. Which would mean an early 2016 announcement and a fall 2016 release.

 

[Bolt Strike]

Last few years have all been correct.

2014 - Primal Groudon and Kyogre
2013 - Xerneas and Yveltal
2012 - Genesect

If we have to go even further back

2011 - can't remember but probably on Serebii somewhere
2010 - Victini (and the whole Pokebeach fiasco)

Movie 15 was Keldeo and Kyurem.

They'll definitely hint at Generation 7. The final movie of each Gen. always has a new Pokémon.

M02 (last Kanto movie) featured Lugia.
M05 (last Johto movie) featured Latios and Latias.
M09 (last Hoenn movie) featured Manaphy.
M13 (last Sinnoh movie) featured Zoroark.
M16 (last Unova movie) featured Mega Mewtwo Y.

They have no more Legendaries, so unless they start making movies around old legends for no reason, or start making movies about Mega's (like how M17 was originally marketed) this upcoming M19 is the final Kalos movie.

Except the next movie is likely to come out before the 7th gen games release if they release in the fall as usual, so that's probably going to be when 7th gen Pokemon are shown off. And they don't need a 6th gen mascot for them to make another 6th gen movie, there's been several examples in the past where some of the later movies either included a 7th gen mascot or a random legendary (M8 had Mew, M13 had the Beast trio). There's several possibilities for M20, pretty much any legendary that hasn't been used recently is on the table, and there's no telling what 7th gen Pokemon they could show off.

Plus there's still Volcanion to show off, he's likely to be Zygarde's co-star. After that there's really not much room for a 7th gen Pokemon, unless it's a random one. And they've been holding off doing that until the games are actually announced recently (the last time they showed off a Pokemon well ahead of its debut gen was before 4th gen released).

Also, two moves doesn't imply two games. It only implies we'll get something, which is all but confirmed by the Zygarde movie teaser. We could very well get both moves in one game.

Again, highly unlikely. There's little point in even making two moves if they weren't planning on two games, it's more profitable for them to make two games than one.

 

[Mitchman]

Movir 20 will likely debut a gen 7 critter, not 19. Its still early, and there is no doubt now, gen 6 is another 4 year term. Its just the whole series is on a weird wavelength, and everything is basically a wild card. I mean, in all honesty I feel that its really all a build up for a big bang for ending gen 6, to celebrate the 20th as well. I think the games will defintely have something to drive it home, maybe a best of features list with stuff like join avenue, pokeathlon, and so on returning, with the anime going witha separate arc? Something like that or on that level. As for the reveal, I honestly think a certain someines predidtion that worlds will hold the reveal fits. Officially build up Zygarde this month, announce its games next month.

 

[Zeb]

Movie 15 was Keldeo and Kyurem.

Yeah, I know what the movie is about; I was talking about the teasers shown after the previous movie, like this one with Zygarde. The teasers for the last few years have all been right about the Pokemon starring in the movie (except that one from like six years ago, which I explained was due to different circumstances and isn't exactly relevant). Sure it might not be the main Pokemon if Volcanion becomes centre of attention, but Zygarde is going to be in the movie in some form (and not what BlackOsprey was saying) was my point.

 

[DasManiac]

Movir 20 will likely debut a gen 7 critter, not 19. Its still early, and there is no doubt now, gen 6 is another 4 year term. Its just the whole series is on a weird wavelength, and everything is basically a wild card. I mean, in all honesty I feel that its really all a build up for a big bang for ending gen 6, to celebrate the 20th as well. I think the games will defintely have something to drive it home, maybe a best of features list with stuff like join avenue, pokeathlon, and so on returning, with the anime going witha separate arc? Something like that or on that level. As for the reveal, I honestly think a certain someines predidtion that worlds will hold the reveal fits. Officially build up Zygarde this month, announce its games next month.

Gen VI will end after next year's game so Movie 19 kind of has to debut a Gen VII 'mon.

 

[Bolt Strike]

Gen VI will end after next year's game so Movie 19 kind of has to debut a Gen VII 'mon.

No it doesn't. If it follows a typical release schedule, here's how the rest of 6th gen will play out:

Summer 2016: M19 releases
Fall 2016: XY2 releases
Summer 2017: M20 releases
Fall 2017: 7th gen releases

M19 is probably NOT the last 6th gen movie, if this schedule is correct then M20 will still be part of 6th gen but it will promote 7th gen (much like M9, M13, and M16 did in past generations). In which case it makes the most sense to start debuting 7th gen Pokemon in M20.

 

[WallflowerCanyon]

I think that we all need to be reminded that 2015 is halfway over already(I KNOW CAN YOU BELIEVE IT U GUYS), we only got about 6-7 more weeks until September rolls around. Which means we're bound to be slammed with something sooner than we may initially realize.

 

[DasManiac]

Gen VI will end after next year's game so Movie 19 kind of has to debut a Gen VII 'mon.

No it doesn't. If it follows a typical release schedule, here's how the rest of 6th gen will play out:

Summer 2016: M19 releases
Fall 2016: XY2 releases
Summer 2017: M20 releases
Fall 2017: 7th gen releases

M19 is probably NOT the last 6th gen movie, if this schedule is correct then M20 will still be part of 6th gen but it will promote 7th gen (much like M9, M13, and M16 did in past generations). In which case it makes the most sense to start debuting 7th gen Pokemon in M20.

Only Volcanion is left and they'll likely just give it a short. Unless they give it a story and a new form in the next games then it's unlikely to get a movie. Gen VI isn't like previous gens though. We don't know that the next games will release next fall. They could release in the winter. Unlike previous gens, there aren't a ton of legendaries. Unless Xerneas and Yveltal get new forms then they'll debut a Gen VII 'mon in Movie 19. Speaking of new forms, what does everybody think about Xerneas and Yveltal's chances for new forms?

 

[Morningstar]

2010 - Victini (and the whole Pokebeach fiasco)

As someone who recently got a pokebeach account, I must ask what happened back then?

 

[Bolt Strike]

Only Volcanion is left and they'll likely just give it a short. Unless they give it a story and a new form in the next games then it's unlikely to get a movie. Gen VI isn't like previous gens though. We don't know that the next games will release next fall. They could release in the winter. Unlike previous gens, there aren't a ton of legendaries. Unless Xerneas and Yveltal get new forms then they'll debut a Gen VII 'mon in Movie 19. Speaking of new forms, what does everybody think about Xerneas and Yveltal's chances for new forms?

Volcanion isn't a good choice for a short, they usually give shorts to Pokemon that are cuter and friendlier since they tend to be more lighthearted. So there's no reason to think Volcanion won't be a movie co-star.

True, we don't know that the games will release in the fall, but considering that that's usually when the games release, it's certainly likely that they will. Ultimately, you have no proof that any of what you're saying will happen and my predictions are very much still a possibility. So for you to say that they absolutely, 100% have to show a 7th gen Pokemon this year is wrong. It's a possibility (although an unlikely possibility), but not a certainty.

 

[DasManiac]

Only Volcanion is left and they'll likely just give it a short. Unless they give it a story and a new form in the next games then it's unlikely to get a movie. Gen VI isn't like previous gens though. We don't know that the next games will release next fall. They could release in the winter. Unlike previous gens, there aren't a ton of legendaries. Unless Xerneas and Yveltal get new forms then they'll debut a Gen VII 'mon in Movie 19. Speaking of new forms, what does everybody think about Xerneas and Yveltal's chances for new forms?

Volcanion isn't a good choice for a short, they usually give shorts to Pokemon that are cuter and friendlier since they tend to be more lighthearted. So there's no reason to think Volcanion won't be a movie co-star.

True, we don't know that the games will release in the fall, but considering that that's usually when the games release, it's certainly likely that they will. Ultimately, you have no proof that any of what you're saying will happen and my predictions are very much still a possibility. So for you to say that they absolutely, 100% have to show a 7th gen Pokemon this year is wrong. It's a possibility (although an unlikely possibility), but not a certainty.

If Volcanion is any movie it will be Movie 19. If Xerneas and Yveltal do get their own forms then they could have their own film. I doubt they would show up in Movie 19 as the movie producers would want to give them their own movie. They'd probably make two movies just to squeeze more money out of the die hard fans. If they don't get their own movie(s) then a Gen VII 'mon would show up in movie 19 because Movie 20 would be a Gen VII Movie instead of another Gen VI one. The next games though, if revealed in September would come out in winter 2016.

 

[Bolt Strike]

If Volcanion is any movie it will be Movie 19. If Xerneas and Yveltal do get their own forms then they could have their own film. I doubt they would show up in Movie 19 as the movie producers would want to give them their own movie.

Not necessarily. Xerneas and Yveltal will likely be related to Zygarde in some way, so they could also be part of M19.

If they don't get their own movie(s) then a Gen VII 'mon would show up in movie 19 because Movie 20 would be a Gen VII Movie instead of another Gen VI one. The next games though, if revealed in September would come out in winter 2016.

You're not listening. If 7th gen is releasing in Fall 2017, then M20 would be a 6th gen movie because it would be releasing before the 7th gen games do. So M20 would be a 6th gen movie, but it would have 7th gen Pokemon, much in the same way that M9 was a 3rd gen movie, M13 was a 4th gen movie, and M16 was a 5th gen movie. IDK how to make it any clearer to you than this.

 

[Apawn:p]

This is a stretch, but what if AZ's Floette was just for him to battle you with, and not for capture?
I mean its sprite is used in the end seen of XY, then the BST boost could have been for so its not a weak little thing and would be formidable vs your Champion Team