Speculation Which will end up being the Best GEN VI game? (speculate!)

[Boss1708]

This is a prediction thread. It would make much more sense to make this thread AFTER the next and final Gen 6 games are released. However, to get us all hyped up and thinking, I propose this speculation thread. Which game do you feel will end up being the King of Gen VI? XY, ORAS or X2Y2/whatever its called? Do you feel there will be a CLEAR winner? Or will the games end up being even in quality? Prove your betting and predicting skills here!

Basically, this thread will measure how much you like XY, how much you like OR/AS and how high/low are your expectations for the next (and probably final) Gen 6 game/s.

Remember, this thread intends to see what you EXPECT from the next games and what you PREDICT GF & Masuda will make, not what YOU would want them to do.

Personally, my feelings are that ORAS will be remembered as the best game, in terms of gameplay and storyline. While X2Y2/etc will be the winner in terms of post-game content. I have the feeling it will improve gameplay-wise over its Kalos predecessor, but it won't be able to improve XY's poor storyline too much, and will stay behing ORAS. So in general, we will have a draw, with OR/AS winning in some major aspects and X2Y2 winning in other major ones.

Edit: The Poll has multiple options in case you think 2 games will be both considered the best.

 

[Pandora]

Re: Best GEN VI game (speculate!)

It's hard to predict anything in this stage without turning into a wishlist.
I hope they really improve the storyline. XY has elements to make a epic story.
ORAS, so far, iwas the best of the generation 6 , but I dont think it's a perfect game to the point of being unbeatable.

Although, what XY must do is: better plot. More mega evolutions, and a memorable post game.

 

[Cainhxrst]

I'm leaning towards thinking that this gen's last game will end up being the best.

Mainly because, X/Y is easy to top, and ORAS is ORAS. While it was still great, at the end of the day it was still a remake. A region revisited, with little new to shake things up. (Yes, there was delta episode, new mega's, dexnav, etc but it's hard for an old region to maintain hype especially when a Kalos revisit is right around the character. I will say I hope the next game keeps the amazing attention to detail ORAS had though)

Assuming the third version/sequels include more trainer customization options, clothes, mega's, an expanded story, more post-game content, etc, it's near impossible for them to somehow make it worse than X/Y.

While I don't doubt that Z/sequels will be the best game this gen, I am a bit worried that GF won't surprise us, and release something safe.

The X/Y announcement is what drew me back to the franchise, and while I lost interest before even finishing X, and didn't even bother playing OR till months after release (I love it now though lol), I do hope the next game(s) end up being amazing, it's just that I expect them to end up underwhelming somehow. They were definitely on to something with X/Y, and Kalos is such a nice looking region, but it ended up falling short in so many places.

Tl;DR I predict the last gen 6 game to be the best one of the gen, but won't surprise us or catch us off guard in ways we would've liked.

 

[ocelotlrama jaguar]

I can't really judge and vote for something I've never played. I don't even know what the next game will be at this point, so I really don't like to speculate.

For what we currently have, ORAS is the most memorable to me, and, in reality, it really shouldn't be. They're remakes. They're fantastic remakes, but I shouldn't be feeling the best games of the generation are remakes of something I played in high school almost 12 years ago. Yeah, HGSS were good, but I thought Platinum was the best of the generation and one of the best of all-time. The remakes were a nice throwback, but they didn't top Platinum in any way. Then again, FireRed and LeafGreen were on the same level as Ruby and Sapphire- they weren't better but weren't terrible, either. Emerald turned out to be the superior game of the generation.

I can't say those are my final feelings, for sure. After all, this generation isn't done yet (unless Game Freak wants to fake us out again), but I am hoping this generation goes the Emerald and Platinum route, fix what was wrong with X and Y, and make it into something to end things off with a bang. I want the next game to be better than ORAS. Hell, I wouldn't mind the next game being better than Platinum or even White, my top two favorite games in the series. I want them to return to Kalos and make it into something a lot more memorable than what they initially gave us. It's a beautiful region. What it needs is more effort put into it instead of everything going into Lumiose City. By the way, that's the only city in the games that I remember by memory, because it seems to be the only worthwhile place to visit in the whole frigging game.

Of course, if Game Freak does end it here and goes on straight to gen VII, wow... then remakes are going to be the most memorable games of the generation. The chances of that happening are not high, but I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[Bolt Strike]

Well we don't know for sure what the next main game will be, but going off the assumption that it'll be another Kalos game, I think there's room for a lot of improvement. They're most likely going to modify XY to create the new game, so a lot of the work is already done and they can concentrate more on the lack of content. So if that's the case, I think we can expect more out of this game than XY and ORAS.

 

[PaulTheProtist]

OR/AS was marginally better than XY to me, and considering GAMEFREAK's comments about competing with the mobile game industry, I do not have high expectations for Z.

 

[Arceus the Dragon]

XY are the greatest games so far. ORAS was lazy and poor in gameplay along with the storyline. The post game for ORAS was not that good and I prefer XY's post game to be honest. As for the new games, I have to wait and see what they have in store. Hopefully the new games would make up for ORAS poor development.

 

[WallflowerCanyon]

Like what's been already been mentioned, if it does take place in Kalos(ok, considering that Zygarde is starting to get hyped in the marketing, I think I canstop saying "if") then there's some hope out there that we'll get an improvement. Emerald, Platinum, and BW2 all acted as expanded improvements to their respective Generational duos, so I think we will be seeing something similar, which is good. I think the big question here is exactly how much better? Are they gonna practice what they preached about wanting to "always surprise people", or not?

 

[Matleo]

If the give some VI generation pokes unexpected regular evolutions (or mega-evolutions) then we will see.
We dont know much about the new games yet.

 

[Jolty94]

I like to think in my head that I'm not so high-strung as some other fans seem to be, I don't ask them for much, and I also don't expect them to find and fit my every need when making a new game. I was almost crying when my X version came in the post a day before official release, I didn't put it down and took two weeks off work (same happened when ORAS was released). YES, XY lacked a storyline that seems to be hidden within Kalos, but we can't get enough detail from just those two games, to find the route of every aspect of the story or which way it is headed in.

The features that XY brought were amazing to me at first, and some still to this day, the jump they made from pixel sprites to full 3D (especially in battles) is to be celebrated. It's something we've wanted for so long. My belief is that the majority of us will always rush through a first play through when getting a new game, then have a second go-through to understand the silver linings and mysteries of the story within. I sure was annoyed that BF wasn't included yes, but that doesn't mean I will shame GF for the rest of my life lol. It's a mediocre feature that only adds a good few battles to the post-game, which is what Battle Maison already does.

I am highly looking forward to the third Kalos instalment (if that is indeed what is coming), but I for SURE, won't be judging them, WHATEVER they decide to do. Eventually, you come to realise complaining about the lack of content, disguises the real truth of what you really appreciate in a game.

 

[Boss1708]

I like to think in my head that I'm not so high-strung as some other fans seem to be, I don't ask them for much, and I also don't expect them to find and fit my every need when making a new game. I was almost crying when my X version came in the post a day before official release, I didn't put it down and took two weeks off work (same happened when ORAS was released). YES, XY lacked a storyline that seems to be hidden within Kalos, but we can't get enough detail from just those two games, to find the route of every aspect of the story or which way it is headed in.

The features that XY brought were amazing to me at first, and some still to this day, the jump they made from pixel sprites to full 3D (especially in battles) is to be celebrated. It's something we've wanted for so long. My belief is that the majority of us will always rush through a first play through when getting a new game, then have a second go-through to understand the silver linings and mysteries of the story within. I sure was annoyed that BF wasn't included yes, but that doesn't mean I will shame GF for the rest of my life lol. It's a mediocre feature that only adds a good few battles to the post-game, which is what Battle Maison already does.

I am highly looking forward to the third Kalos instalment (if that is indeed what is coming), but I for SURE, won't be judging them, WHATEVER they decide to do. Eventually, you come to realise complaining about the lack of content, disguises the real truth of what you really appreciate in a game.

I think content- wise, X is ok, for a first entry in a new generation. Usually, the first game in a new generation doesn't include gym rematches, X has it. Also it has the best pokemon selection to date. Other than that, they do have a lot of weak aspects, especially the storyline and the region hollowness, but oh well... They introduced revolutionary aspects so they did their job right i guess.

ORAS in my opinion, improves in every possible way, even graphics improve. They are AMAZING, my favourite games to date.

The only issue I have with ORAS is that I feel GF got scared how good they made ORAS, and tried to annoy us a bit, adding some horrible in-game teasers, like no gym rematches, but gym leaders telling you, "I hope we can battle again sometime" or no BF, but an NPC saying "the Battle Resort is still popular among trainers, but there are plans to make it a more robust battle place called the Battle Frontier." Like, seriously? Ive never seen a game so good but harsh with itself. Its like GF were scared nobody would be interested in the following game so they tried to point out clearly the very few real flaws that OR/AS have, in stead of trying to hide them, at least ingame, like most games do. Or, it could just be japanese people like teasers and dont condider them annoying like we do.
And about no trainer customisation, I think generally its an ok improvement, but it would have made no sense to have it in a remake. It would almost be considered an offense by most Gen 3 fans like myself.

And about X2Y2etc, I think they will definitely add over its Kalos predessesor, but I don't think it will be as enjoyable to play like ORAS in terms of gameplay and storyline, although they will probably add the PWT and some good new features to make the the postgame longer, but then again, leave out other great features, this is Masuda's speciality, allways leaving fans satisfied, but never fully satisfied.

About judging GF... you are right we have to be more comprehensive about them not making a comletely flawless game, but its also true that they are leaving some features in and out and in again, which should be in every game, buy now. And they do it for purely comercial reasoning.

 

[Bolt Strike]

I think content- wise, X is ok, for a first entry in a new generation. Usually, the first game in a new generation doesn't include gym rematches, X has it. Also it has the best pokemon selection to date. Other than that, they do have a lot of weak aspects, especially the storyline and the region hollowness, but oh well... They introduced revolutionary aspects so they did their job right i guess.

I can't agree with this at all. Even taking into account that XY is the first game of a new generation, it's still incredibly lacking. Not having a lot of features and things to do is fine, but XY has virtually nothing. Even DP and BW1 had a couple of extra features and a decent amount of post game content, XY is minimalist to a degree we haven't seen since 2nd gen.

ORAS in my opinion, improves in every possible way, even graphics improve. They are AMAZING, my favourite games to date.

Every possible way? It didn't improve Pokemon variety, it was a massive step back in that regard (of course XY was also completely bloated with a ridiculous amount of Pokemon, but ORAS was the opposite extreme).

And about no trainer customisation, I think generally its an ok improvement, but it would have made no sense to have it in a remake. It would almost be considered an offense by most Gen 3 fans like myself.

It's. Optional. If you want to stick with the default outfit, don't use the others. It's that simple.

 

[Jersey Jimmy]

I actually haven't played ORAS yet, but my Hoenn bias tells me it's quite a bit better than XY. I still think Z is going to top them all, though, much like Platinum and Emerald did.

 

[Boss1708]

I can't agree with this at all. Even taking into account that XY is the first game of a new generation, it's still incredibly lacking. Not having a lot of features and things to do is fine, but XY has virtually nothing. Even DP and BW1 had a couple of extra features and a decent amount of post game content, XY is minimalist to a degree we haven't seen since 2nd gen.

ORAS in my opinion, improves in every possible way, even graphics improve. They are AMAZING, my favourite games to date.

Every possible way? It didn't improve Pokemon variety, it was a massive step back in that regard (of course XY was also completely bloated with a ridiculous amount of Pokemon, but ORAS was the opposite extreme).

And about no trainer customisation, I think generally its an ok improvement, but it would have made no sense to have it in a remake. It would almost be considered an offense by most Gen 3 fans like myself.

It's. Optional. If you want to stick with the default outfit, don't use the others. It's that simple.

- XY were a revolutionary game, it introduced revolutionary features that you are not mentioning.

-ORAS doesnt need an enormous selection as you cuold just get them from X or via Pokebank. So that isnt a big deal at all.

And about customisation, I think it woul have ruined part of the nostalgia build up, and anyways, the male outfit you get in ORAS looks cooler than any combination you were allowed in Kalos.

I actually haven't played ORAS yet, but my Hoenn bias tells me it's quite a bit better than XY. I still think Z is going to top them all, though, much like Platinum and Emerald did.

Well, not necessarily, cause Platinum didn't top over HGSS, it was pretty much a draw between 2 really good games, so it could be the same between ORAS and Z... I mean, my heart is tellin me that GF are going to go all the way for once, not hold anything back, and COMBINE all the great features from XY and ORAS, and make the ultimate Pokemon game.

But they usually prefer to hold many things back, so they make sure we buy the next games. And my head is saying that's what they will do.
But they might surprise us.

 

[Tyrfing]

Z/XY2 may or may not be the best of the generation, although it most likely will. It has potential, and despite my firm hatred of X and Y I believe it could be fantastic. However, given we're dealing with X and Y here, I also voted for ORAS, since they were easily the best done sequels yet and basically improved upon X and Y's faults in many respects. I think both may end up sharing the same rep or XY2 will surpass it.

 

[Bolt Strike]

- XY were a revolutionary game, it introduced revolutionary features that you are not mentioning.

Once the excitement of all those revolutionary features wears off there's not much to enjoy about XY.

-ORAS doesnt need an enormous selection as you cuold just get them from X or via Pokebank. So that isnt a big deal at all.

It does make a difference for team building and AI rosters.

And about customisation, I think it woul have ruined part of the nostalgia build up, and anyways, the male outfit you get in ORAS looks cooler than any combination you were allowed in Kalos.

I don't see how it would ruin the nostalgia at all when, again, it's optional.

 

[Esserise]

ORAS was lazy and poor in gameplay along with the storyline. The post game for ORAS was not that good and I prefer XY's post game to be honest.

Okay, I get not liking ORAS, but this just baffles me. What XY post-game? There's nothing to do aside from the Looker Missions, the Maison (which ORAS also offers), and the Friend Safari (which ORAS outdoes with the DexNav).

The features that XY brought were amazing to me at first, and some still to this day, the jump they made from pixel sprites to full 3D (especially in battles) is to be celebrated. It's something we've wanted for so long. My belief is that the majority of us will always rush through a first play through when getting a new game, then have a second go-through to understand the silver linings and mysteries of the story within. I sure was annoyed that BF wasn't included yes, but that doesn't mean I will shame GF for the rest of my life lol. It's a mediocre feature that only adds a good few battles to the post-game, which is what Battle Maison already does.

In my experience, subsequent playthroughs of XY only serve to highlight its flaws... the special sheen that it had on my first run-through has been thoroughly eroded by now. But broadly, I want to agree, and I already do cut XY a fair bit of slack. What bothers me is just that they seem to have developed several misguided ideals pertaining to game-making philosophy, whereas with Gens IV and V they were firing on all cylinders. If it were just XY, I could forgive it. But ORAS was struck by the same questionable logic, in its own ways... it doesn't really inspire hope. I am trying to keep an open mind about Z, though.

Usually, the first game in a new generation doesn't include gym rematches, X has it.

Yes, but XY's style of Gym Leader rematching is achieved via the Battle Chateau, which gives each Gym Leader a team of two Pokémon only. And it doesn't help that the Chateau is also the only other form of Elite Four rematching as well... rematching in which they use one less Pokémon than their actual League teams, which don't even get a post-game upgrade.

And about no trainer customisation, I think generally its an ok improvement, but it would have made no sense to have it in a remake. It would almost be considered an offense by most Gen 3 fans like myself.

The "It's a remake, it wouldn't make sense to include it" logic doesn't make sense. Because then why were Super Training and Pokémon-Amie were included? Why was Mega Evolution included? Horde Battles? The purpose of a remake is to update the old games to the modern standard. If we can have those Gen VI features included in ORAS without it seeming "offensive" (which is an absurdly extreme reaction to an optional feature), then why can we arbitrarily not have customization?

Once the excitement of all those revolutionary features wears off there's not much to enjoy about XY.

I think I would argue that I am still plenty happy about all of the new features - it is just that all of that excitement has been transferred over to ORAS because XY have been left wholly irrelevant. ;P

 

[Bolt Strike]

I think I would argue that I am still plenty happy about all of the new features - it is just that all of that excitement has been transferred over to ORAS because XY have been left wholly irrelevant. ;P

Even before ORAS was announced I wasn't really happy with XY's content. The content was just objectively lacking, it's not just by comparison.

 

[Boss1708]

Okay, I get not liking ORAS, but this just baffles me. What XY post-game? There's nothing to do aside from the Looker Missions, the Maison (which ORAS also offers), and the Friend Safari (which ORAS outdoes with the DexNav).

The features that XY brought were amazing to me at first, and some still to this day, the jump they made from pixel sprites to full 3D (especially in battles) is to be celebrated. It's something we've wanted for so long. My belief is that the majority of us will always rush through a first play through when getting a new game, then have a second go-through to understand the silver linings and mysteries of the story within. I sure was annoyed that BF wasn't included yes, but that doesn't mean I will shame GF for the rest of my life lol. It's a mediocre feature that only adds a good few battles to the post-game, which is what Battle Maison already does.

In my experience, subsequent playthroughs of XY only serve to highlight its flaws... the special sheen that it had on my first run-through has been thoroughly eroded by now. But broadly, I want to agree, and I already do cut XY a fair bit of slack. What bothers me is just that they seem to have developed several misguided ideals pertaining to game-making philosophy, whereas with Gens IV and V they were firing on all cylinders. If it were just XY, I could forgive it. But ORAS was struck by the same questionable logic, in its own ways... it doesn't really inspire hope. I am trying to keep an open mind about Z, though.

Usually, the first game in a new generation doesn't include gym rematches, X has it.

Yes, but XY's style of Gym Leader rematching is achieved via the Battle Chateau, which gives each Gym Leader a team of two Pokémon only. And it doesn't help that the Chateau is also the only other form of Elite Four rematching as well... rematching in which they use one less Pokémon than their actual League teams, which don't even get a post-game upgrade.

And about no trainer customisation, I think generally its an ok improvement, but it would have made no sense to have it in a remake. It would almost be considered an offense by most Gen 3 fans like myself.

The "It's a remake, it wouldn't make sense to include it" logic doesn't make sense. Because then why were Super Training and Pokémon-Amie were included? Why was Mega Evolution included? Horde Battles? The purpose of a remake is to update the old games to the modern standard. If we can have those Gen VI features included in ORAS without it seeming "offensive" (which is an absurdly extreme reaction to an optional feature), then why can we arbitrarily not have customization?

Once the excitement of all those revolutionary features wears off there's not much to enjoy about XY.

I think I would argue that I am still plenty happy about all of the new features - it is just that all of that excitement has been transferred over to ORAS because XY have been left wholly irrelevant. ;P

1. What do you mean by misguided ideals about game making philosophy? Explain pls.

2. Tbh, i never seriously bothered with the Chateau, so didnt know it was that downgraded. It still is better than the abscense of rematches.

3. I know customisation wouldnt hurt ORAS, but its just I see it as an unnecesary adition, which would have meant less time to develop other features more RELEVANT for ORAS. Besides that remember customisation is meant to be Kalos exclusive for some reason xd.
PD the customisation is very flawed in XY, to the point ORAS' pc design looks cooler imo

 

[Pandora]

And about no trainer customisation, I think generally its an ok improvement, but it would have made no sense to have it in a remake. It would almost be considered an offense by most Gen 3 fans like myself.

The "It's a remake, it wouldn't make sense to include it" logic doesn't make sense. Because then why were Super Training and Pokémon-Amie were included? Why was Mega Evolution included? Horde Battles? The purpose of a remake is to update the old games to the modern standard. If we can have those Gen VI features included in ORAS without it seeming "offensive" (which is an absurdly extreme reaction to an optional feature), then why can we arbitrarily not have customization?

Remake aside, I just hope they dont get away customization in the next generations. GF are triyng to make it a feature unique to generetion 6, different from mega evolutions that will be added in every game because it's a new mechanic.

But i think it's a dumb thing exclude customization of standard games. The same is for challange mode, gym rematches and Pokemom Amie.