The Fairy Type and Alterations to Type Chart

[Stratelier]

Re: New Type or Alterations to Type Chart?

Thererin lies my issue with this rumor. Not the new typr-e, but the asymetrical typings. On'y pne we've had for the groupings or even thematical duos is Tornadus in the last 2 gens. Gen 3 asswankery with Groudon being the only single type will be a huge disappointment. Not to mention it would be impossible till the games come out or they tell us something to actually speculate on anything. DP? Eh okay you have steel and water so uh, time makes the diamond hard while the sea is vast.....so time and space? BW? Electricity and fire black and white....nature and technology and morals. XY? Uh fairy and dark gives us....good vs evil? But thats BW! Duality and common thematics is a key to mascots, so its qu8te puzzling for the typings to be such.

Kyogre was single-typed too, and it formed an asymmetric pair with Groudon (Water beats Ground). And why Palkia is part Water I don't understand either.

 

[Joshawott]

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Guys...Fairy-type would explain why a wing was seen on Sylveon's picture on that Eevee short promotional piece. I have to say, I don't object to the possible existence of a Fairy-type. I just hope that Nintendo are clever with its typing. Personally, I'd like to see something like this:
Weak against: Ghost
Resistant against: Dark, Fighting
Super-effective against: Dark, Dragon
(And yes, that would create a Dark-Fairy-Ghost triangle for all of you people who dislike Grass-Fire-Water starters xD)

The only thing that makes me doubt this is those swords Xerneas has for feet. Fairy/Steel maybe, but pure Fairy?

 

[Meophist]

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Guys...Fairy-type would explain why a wing was seen on Sylveon's picture on that Eevee short promotional piece.

Isn't that just its ear?

 

[Proxima Centauri B]

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We dont know what it is, it could be it's ear but it resembles a wing of some kind.

 

[Meophist]

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I mean, if you're talking about what I think you're talking about, it's pretty much the same shape as Sylveon's ear. I guess that can be taken to mean that Sylveon's ear is in the shape of a wing though.

 

[Joshawott]

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Guys...Fairy-type would explain why a wing was seen on Sylveon's picture on that Eevee short promotional piece.

Isn't that just its ear?

This one.

 

[Meophist]

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Guys...Fairy-type would explain why a wing was seen on Sylveon's picture on that Eevee short promotional piece.

Isn't that just its ear?

This one.

Yes, that's what I was talking about. In the egg shape, I see the shape of Sylveon's ear at the bottom.

 

[Rainbow]

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Based on that likely being Sylveon's ear and the plain look it Haas, I feel the frame could be there as a place holder, to not give any clues on its type. (kinda like how the JP site made its type tag pink with question marks)

But idk

 

[Joshawott]

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Guys...Fairy-type would explain why a wing was seen on Sylveon's picture on that Eevee short promotional piece.

Isn't that just its ear?

This one.

Yes, that's what I was talking about. In the egg shape, I see the shape of Sylveon's ear at the bottom.

It also looks a lot like an ear. Why would they randomly have Sylveon's ear there, when if you look at the other Eevee evolutions, there's nothing similar? (Except with Flareon, whose tail is clearly in the shape of a flame anyway).

 

[Meophist]

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I think if it was supposed to be a wing, it'll look more clearly like a wing. The leaves on Leafeon's border can be considered similar.

What I find most puzzling about that picture is the heart on Eevee's border, however.

 

[Shiny Shinx]

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Guys...Fairy-type would explain why a wing was seen on Sylveon's picture on that Eevee short promotional piece.

Isn't that just its ear?

This one.

Yes, that's what I was talking about. In the egg shape, I see the shape of Sylveon's ear at the bottom.

It also looks a lot like an ear. Why would they randomly have Sylveon's ear there, when if you look at the other Eevee evolutions, there's nothing similar? (Except with Flareon, whose tail is clearly in the shape of a flame anyway).

I think that it was a coincidence that Sylveon's ear is there. Same with Flareon's flame tail. I don't think Game Freak/Nintendo or whomever would perposly put that there.

I mean, do you really think they put thought into doing that pasific thing? The frames are suppose to resemble the Pokemon's Type, not there looks or design or whatever.

 

[Luna Tiger]

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I mean, do you really think they put thought into doing that specific thing?

No, why would they do such a thing? It's like they're trying to keep the typing a secret. .... =p

If it's an ear or a wing, it honestly looks like both and you can argue for either, but I'm of the mind that the frame isn't supposed to be a hint to its typing...unless it's flying, then everyone who thought so can say it was right under everyone else's noses.

 

[Team Gaara]

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I'm pretty sure Sylveon's was purposefully made like that so we wouldn't be able to tell it's type. I mean, it doesn't really look much like anything, whether it's an already existing type or not. I wouldn't use that too much as evidence for any type.

 

[Joshawott]

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Guys...Fairy-type would explain why a wing was seen on Sylveon's picture on that Eevee short promotional piece.

Isn't that just its ear?

This one.

Yes, that's what I was talking about. In the egg shape, I see the shape of Sylveon's ear at the bottom.

It also looks a lot like an ear. Why would they randomly have Sylveon's ear there, when if you look at the other Eevee evolutions, there's nothing similar? (Except with Flareon, whose tail is clearly in the shape of a flame anyway).

I think that it was a coincidence that Sylveon's ear is there. Same with Flareon's flame tail. I don't think Game Freak/Nintendo or whomever would perposly put that there.

I mean, do you really think they put thought into doing that pasific thing? The frames are suppose to resemble the Pokemon's Type, not there looks or design or whatever.

I think that Sylveon's ear looking vaguely like a wing is a reference to its typing, like how the shape of Flareon's tail is, which is why they are the only parts of the Pokémon represented in the egg-logos.

 

[El_]

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I'm bothered by the lack of symmetry. It's one thing to contrast Fairy from Dark, but what about Yveltal's secondary type and Xerneas' lack thereof? Why does Yveltal's name reference evil while Xerneas' name doesn't reference any trait (but rather just the letter X and the creature it was based on)? Even though "yvel" is hard to miss, it would make more sense if the name were just a reference to the letter Y and the animal Yveltal was based on.

There is also the question of how dark magic vs. fairy magic can be tied to genetics. The only thing that comes to mind is the speculation about Xerneas and Yveltal not being real Pokémon, but rather fairy tale creatures turned real by way of DNA engineering. That idea has some potential, but the mascots don't seem otherworldly compared to other legendaries. More mythical perhaps, but not to the point of being too good to be real.

I am not saying that any of this is necessarily unlikely to happen, but I just question the logic behind it.

Quite honestly, it depends. I did figure at first that Xerneas was Newtype/grass. If Xerneas was Fairy & Grass for example, and Fairy ends up being super effective against Dark then that would perfectly balance them out in this theory. If it is pure though like the rumor said however, we just have to see what exactly kind of role it plays where the plot is concerned. It might actually make sense (if true) later on down the line, but it also may not depending on how GF handles it.

As for themes, I think its fairly obvious and safe to say that Xerneas will be based on it's namesake more than anything. Cernunnos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A god of nature is pretty much what one could expect, and it fits the forest theme that Sylveon's name also implies. As for Yveltal, unless theres something I'm really missing here I remain very unconvinced that its based around a Quetzal & Quetzalcoatl like I've been seeing. I can't pinpoint exactly what kind of bird it represents, but it appears to be similar in some ways to a vulture, raven, and hawk/eagle somewhat. I figured the "tal" came from "kartal" which means eagle, but like I said I'm still not certain.

The main reason why I would think that a contrast between the good woodland "fairy type" and the dark type may happen is because I believe Yveltal could be based on this: The Morrígan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Morrigan

The overall "possible" theme of Faes, Cernunnos, and the above is Celtic-Gaul I believe and fits the region very much. I do agree that I'm also still finding it difficult to tie the genetic theme to woodland Fae gods, unless of course they "oppose" scientific tinkering. Should the evil team wind up as corrupt scientist or whatnot, though I wish science were not portrayed in such a negative light. (At least neutrally overall would be fine)

 

[Venator]

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I think that Sylveon's ear looking vaguely like a wing is a reference to its typing, like how the shape of Flareon's tail is, which is why they are the only parts of the Pokémon represented in the egg-logos.

I agree with you, Josh.

A wing-shaped ear, and an egg motif with a wing-ear on it.

Now, regardless of unconfirmed rumors and fan gun-jumping based upon them, what type do these kind of symbols represent?

 

[Neptune's Disciple]

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I'm bothered by the lack of symmetry. It's one thing to contrast Fairy from Dark, but what about Yveltal's secondary type and Xerneas' lack thereof? Why does Yveltal's name reference evil while Xerneas' name doesn't reference any trait (but rather just the letter X and the creature it was based on)? Even though "yvel" is hard to miss, it would make more sense if the name were just a reference to the letter Y and the animal Yveltal was based on.

There is also the question of how dark magic vs. fairy magic can be tied to genetics. The only thing that comes to mind is the speculation about Xerneas and Yveltal not being real Pokémon, but rather fairy tale creatures turned real by way of DNA engineering. That idea has some potential, but the mascots don't seem otherworldly compared to other legendaries. More mythical perhaps, but not to the point of being too good to be real.

I am not saying that any of this is necessarily unlikely to happen, but I just question the logic behind it.

Quite honestly, it depends. I did figure at first that Xerneas was Newtype/grass. If Xerneas was Fairy & Grass for example, and Fairy ends up being super effective against Dark then that would perfectly balance them out in this theory. If it is pure though like the rumor said however, we just have to see what exactly kind of role it plays where the plot is concerned. It might actually make sense (if true) later on down the line, but it also may not depending on how GF handles it.

As for themes, I think its fairly obvious and safe to say that Xerneas will be based on it's namesake more than anything. Cernunnos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A god of nature is pretty much what one could expect, and it fits the forest theme that Sylveon's name also implies. As for Yveltal, unless theres something I'm really missing here I remain very unconvinced that its based around a Quetzal & Quetzalcoatl like I've been seeing. I can't pinpoint exactly what kind of bird it represents, but it appears to be similar in some ways to a vulture, raven, and hawk/eagle somewhat. I figured the "tal" came from "kartal" which means eagle, but like I said I'm still not certain.

The main reason why I would think that a contrast between the good woodland "fairy type" and the dark type may happen is because I believe Yveltal could be based on this: The Morrígan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Morrigan

The overall "possible" theme of Faes, Cernunnos, and the above is Celtic-Gaul I believe and fits the region very much. I do agree that I'm also still finding it difficult to tie the genetic theme to woodland Fae gods, unless of course they "oppose" scientific tinkering. Should the evil team wind up as corrupt scientist or whatnot, though I wish science were not portrayed in such a negative light. (At least neutrally overall would be fine)

I had always thought that Xerneas was based on the Ceryneian Hind, a huge deer sacred to Artemis (maiden goddess of the hunt, wilderness, wild animals, the moon, and girls to name a few from Greek mythology). This deer had golden antlers and bronze legs, and could 'run faster than an arrow'. Xerneas' name is reasonably similar to Ceryneian, at least in pokemon terms, and its horns and lets certainly look like metal. It's for this reason that I think Xerneas will be either Steel/new [fairy/light/whatever] type or Steel/Grass.

Relating this deer to Artemis fits in very well with the genetics theme, as Artemis had a male twin, Apollo, equal yet opposite representations of feminimity and masculinity. Apollo was the Greek god who, among other things, drew the sun across the sky in a golden chariot, which in my mind at least fits in pretty well with a giant bird.

 

[Familiar]

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I think that Sylveon's ear looking vaguely like a wing is a reference to its typing, like how the shape of Flareon's tail is, which is why they are the only parts of the Pokémon represented in the egg-logos.

I agree with you, Josh.

A wing-shaped ear, and an egg motif with a wing-ear on it.

Now, regardless of unconfirmed rumors and fan gun-jumping based upon them, what type do these kind of symbols represent?

These symbols aren't exactly clear, considering Sylveon's actual ears do not look likes wings, nor do they even function as such. And I'm still curious how an egg has anything to do with a Flying-type, but I'm not holding my breath for any real evidence for Flying-type considering how fans cited the appearance of wind in one of the trailers as proof of Sylveon's typing.

How does a feminine, pink looking cat with ribbons and bows exactly scream Flying-type? The only likely candidates are either Normal type or something new.

 

[Venator]

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These symbols aren't exactly clear,

And neither is the credibility of Hiro's "confirmation" of the Fairy-type, but that hasn't stopped the gun jumping.

considering Sylveon's actual ears do not look likes wings, nor do they even function as such.

Er...

Their shape?

I mean, they aren't feather covered, but they have the same general shape as a Togetic wing, for example.

And I'm still curious how an egg has anything to do with a Flying-type,

Er...

Birds lay eggs? Most Flying-types are also a bird of some sort?

but I'm not holding my breath for any real evidence for Flying-type considering how fans cited the appearance of wind in one of the trailers as proof of Sylveon's typing.

I'd rather believe in the Flying-type than some rumor with pretty damn shaky basis, pushed by overeager fans who are obsessed with a new type and are "supported" by Hiro, who has flip-flopped support quite suspiciously.

How does a feminine, pink looking cat with ribbons and bows exactly scream Flying-type? The only likely candidates are either Normal type or something new.

Yeah, if you like to jump the gun and assume that everything we know about Sylveon cannot be explained without a new type, or that being pink with wing-like "bows" and "ribbons" points to a normal typing.

 

[Meophist]

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It certainly seems like people can come at pretty much any angle and justify it through the evidence we've gotten so far. I have a difficult time ruling anything out with what we have so far.

I think it's going to be a new type, but that's only my current thought on the matter. I can see the arguments for a few existing types.