Will Iris And/Or Cilan Continue Travelling With Ash?

[unShinyUmbreon]

I would like to see Iris continue her journey with Ash. So far, her Axew hasn't even evolved yet--It'd be nice to see that story line unfold in the new series! As for Cilan, I can't really see him going on with Ash in the new region. I would also enjoy seeing a new trainer starting their journey as Ash arrives, similar to the May and Dawn situation. Or maybe Misty will be back? We'll have to wait and see!

 

[Fennekin]

Well, if Cilan indeed will be traveling with Ash to Kalos, it was at least somewhat confirmed by the preview that Ash travels there alone from Kanto.

I wouldn't say it confirmed anything of the sort. Cilan and/or Iris could of easily of been still sitting in their seats when the plane landed, along with the other passengers. Ash was the first person at the door and I doubt he was the only one on the plane, so it's still possible.

Personally, I could picture Cilan appearing outside the door after Ash, saying how the lovely the Kalos Region looks or Iris appearing right behind Ash and saying his yelling proved how much of a little kid he was.

 

[Hidden Mew]

I would like to see Iris continue her journey with Ash. So far, her Axew hasn't even evolved yet--It'd be nice to see that story line unfold in the new series! As for Cilan, I can't really see him going on with Ash in the new region. I would also enjoy seeing a new trainer starting their journey as Ash arrives, similar to the May and Dawn situation. Or maybe Misty will be back? We'll have to wait and see!

They pretty much dropped the need to get Axew to evolve ages ago when it started to learn overpowered moves and especially when Iris caught Dragonite so that she could have a fully evolved Dragon type and Axew at the same time, so I really don't see that carrying over into the next series. Plus, if they were going to have Axew evolve, that would happen when the fifth generation was more marketing relevant. They would rather spend time focusing on new Pokemon evolving more than Axew evolving in XY. I would much rather see a new trainer starting their journey for some new goal like what happened with May and Dawn. At least that way, we'd have a more active female lead and she would have a better shot at good development.

I wouldn't say it confirmed anything of the sort. Cilan and/or Iris could of easily of been still sitting in their seats when the plane landed, along with the other passengers. Ash was the first person at the door and I doubt he was the only one on the plane, so it's still possible.

Personally, I could picture Cilan appearing outside the door after Ash, saying how the lovely the Kalos Region looks or Iris appearing right behind Ash and saying his yelling proved how much of a little kid he was.

If they were there, I think that they probably would have been on the poster with Ash at least. I don't think that they would bother to keep it a secret if both Iris and Cilan were traveling with Ash. I think that Ash is on his own since he starts out every series on his own and the rest of the cast joins up with him in the following few episodes.

 

[unShinyUmbreon]

Also, I would love to see Ash's new companion's journey, be similar to how Ash started his. Maybe something causes the new character to arrive to the Pokemon Lab late, and the professor gifts him/her an Eevee (which can later become Sylveon) when the professor runs out of the traditional starters. Similar to why Ash received Pikachu. I'd really like to see that, but that's just me. Also Hopefully Ash's new companions will be someone new and someone we already know. I'd love to see Misty again.

 

[Fennekin]

If they were there, I think that they probably would have been on the poster with Ash at least. I don't think that they would bother to keep it a secret if both Iris and Cilan were traveling with Ash. I think that Ash is on his own since he starts out every series on his own and the rest of the cast joins up with him in the following few episodes.

IIRC, they kept it a secret Ash was returning in BW for a while too. I recall him not being present in the first poster for it on Sunday or Smash.

So I wouldn't be surprised they were keeping it a secret if Cilan and/or Iris were returning.

 

[Genwunner]

I hope for Ash, Alexa, and another character yet to be revealed although Cameron would be a great option I feel.

 

[Hidden Mew]

IIRC, they kept it a secret Ash was returning in BW for a while too. I recall him not being present in the first poster for it on Sunday or Smash.

So I wouldn't be surprised they were keeping it a secret if Cilan and/or Iris were returning.

They did keep Ash returning in both DP and BW a secret since he wasn't revealed when either series was announced, but I don't think that they would keep it a secret if both of them were returning. I could see them keeping Cilan returning a secret since there would be a new female lead, but I can't really see them keeping it a secret that the XY cast is the same as the BW cast. That just seems strange to keep the cast secret if it was the same. Though, I still say that there's no chance of Iris returning for various reasons.

 

[Chiplet]

I wouldn't say it confirmed anything of the sort. Cilan and/or Iris could of easily of been still sitting in their seats when the plane landed, along with the other passengers. Ash was the first person at the door and I doubt he was the only one on the plane, so it's still possible.

Of course, but that's not what I was implying towards. What I meant is if either one of them actually had come with him on that plane they surely would've gotten out together with him. The way they focused on Ash and Pikachu during that scene made it seem rather obvious that he's traveling there alone, just like he always have. It's still a possibility that they could be on the plane, but I higly doubt it.

 

[Pokémon Master Ash]

Bye Iris, Bye Cilan. Since they aren't really important friends of Ash's, they will be gone. Like Tracey, May, Max and Dawn.

Every friend that Ash has traveled with deserves the same respect from us, regardless of whether or not we may be in favor of them. Each one has brought some very unique traits to the show. To say Iris and Cilan aren't important is mocking their very existence on the show, and not right.

Just because Misty and Brock are my favorites, doesn't mean I won't show respect for May, Max, Dawn, Iris, and Cilan. Each of them brought something their own to the show, and each bringing something new Ash could learn from and grow as a result of being exposed to that character's personality traits.

 

[Darth Darkrai]

Cilan I thin k might but not sure. Iris like all the other Girls will leave and be replaced by Someone New.

 

[pokemon fan 132]

They could do more with her, but the problem I have with that is that they haven't really been that interested in Iris's character to make me think that this is even possible. They could do more with pretty much all of their characters, but they still replace them. With Iris, the writers aren't really that interested in her to choose to do more with her character over bringing in a new female lead and with Clair appearing, it's pretty obvious that they're setting up for her departure.

No one is denying that, because episodes revolved around Blackthorn gym, Drayden and now Clair are certainly seeming like foreshadowing, vectors through which writers are probably intending to have her leave. I was only signalizing out how from story standpoint there is nothing in theory which would stop character from continuing to next generation in case writers decide to explore more on her dreams, personality and past.

Regardless of how people may have felt about Iris treatment, i cannot deny how she got most focus on her career and story right below Ash in BW.
She actually got lot of focus whether its by entering don George battle clubs or some other competitions, battling, dealing with her pokemon and disobedience issues, focusing on her dragon master goal and connections with dragon village, Drayden or other renowned dragon trainers etc.

Way i see it its more that writers weren't exactly sure how to properly pan out her growth, rather than not having interest. With scarce type like dragons, Axew becoming too popular as mascot killing chances for evolving but revelation of her champion role in games too not providing material to create more tangible quest out of it.

They can promote both new Pokemon and a new character from the sixth generation games, which has more marketing value than simply bringing along the BW cast and giving them sixth generation Pokemon. That's one reason why I can't see Iris and Cilan coming along. If either of them are in the cast, then it would be Cilan due to how there might not be a character from X/Y to take his role and the popularity of his Japanese voice actor, but unlike with Iris, that isn't a guarantee. There are already two possible female leads out of the revealed characters and they could be more female characters that have yet been introduced that could replace Iris. If they weren't interested in promoting the human characters from the new games, then May probably would have stayed for DP instead of being replaced with Dawn since they had the same goal, but they still replaced her. Though, I really hope that whoever replaces Iris doesn't have the same basic goal or something too similar either.

True but in order to have healthy and strong franchise company is constantly looking through new ways of maintaining viewers interest, introducing new additions and break from previous, repetitive patterns to bring more hype, excitement and possibility of gaining higher percentage of viewers that way.

Therefore its not totally out of blue that they find new ways of promoting new generations without necessarily including girl protagonists into cast.
Through adding new protagonists in anime through recurring role or rivals, advertizing new game products and pokemon through not only Ash but his companions too(this case Iris and Cilan)by entering new competitions introduced in next generation. Assuming it would go toe to toe within their carers and provide path through which their plots could move forward as result of it etc.

In fact after what was revealed in interview with ex director mr. Hidaka i don't even think writers care so much about who would be most prominent candidate to better represent new generation with marketing while playing role, not being exactly main influential factor in forming cast.

I'm aware of how there have been traditions broken before. Though, Brock leaving was more unlikely rather than impossible due to how he was already replaced before, so that might not be the best example. Still, nothing about that makes me think that they would be willing to break the new female lead tradition. What does Iris offer more than a female character from X/Y? If they were going to keep her, I don't think that Clair would be appearing to most likely offer another option for her Dragon Master goal instead of going back to Drayden's Gym. Even with the breaks in tradition, I would say that Iris' fate is set in stone. There is just no way the writers are going to keep her around as opposed to bringing in a new female lead. They could if they wanted to, but nothing about how Iris has been handled has made me think that is even a possibility.

Probably not but its not impossible that at some point this pattern ends broke too.

Assuming that writers decide to change format introducing twist through keeping already established characters or even go as far as reintroducing older characters breaking monotony of expected new characters from games being added, Iris could had have a shot to remain part of traveling group with purpose of bringing stability in cast, continuity in form of another familiar face through which people could relate and associate anime with along with having on going plot which keep its bounds with previous sagas adding to credibility and amount of growth characters experienced until now like Ash.

Naturally after newest preview its doubtful in Iris case being likely set up to leave, but for future generations its not something i would take lightly completely ignoring like hood of it.

Adding too many new characters at once depending on circumstances can also be counterproductive , with too much of change in main cast for Unova taking away from continuity and stable cast damaging Ash development and integrity of anime imo. Which as expected reflected negatively on pokemon popularity. Which i have reason to believe to be part of reason, considering how large contingent of fandom i met found how writers did too much of change both in cast and in terms of plot in transition period between DP and BW.

Also Hopefully Ash's new companions will be someone new and someone we already know. I'd love to see Misty again.

Count me in. She is great character and it would be really refreshing to see familiar face after long time coming back being taken through new , exciting direction .

 

[Nymphia]

IIRC, they kept it a secret Ash was returning in BW for a while too. I recall him not being present in the first poster for it on Sunday or Smash.

So I wouldn't be surprised they were keeping it a secret if Cilan and/or Iris were returning.

They did keep Ash returning in both DP and BW a secret since he wasn't revealed when either series was announced, but I don't think that they would keep it a secret if both of them were returning. I could see them keeping Cilan returning a secret since there would be a new female lead, but I can't really see them keeping it a secret that the XY cast is the same as the BW cast. That just seems strange to keep the cast secret if it was the same. Though, I still say that there's no chance of Iris returning for various reasons.

False. In BW, a trailer with the silhouettes of Iris and Cilan aired on July 1st. We have a mon th to deal with later an on August 1st Pokemon Sunday revealed Iris and Cilan identities in the anime with the first trialer anmd poster, where Ash was missing.
In August º19th Another trailer aired with more characters and new frames, but still without Ash.
In August 26th, after the Darkrai battle, they finally showed Ash being in the anime.
And Team Rocket weren't confirmed until 2th September.

What happens is that a leaked image surfaced the Internet in late June and when Iris silhouette matched the image, it was confirmed the image. One note about the image is so early that the starters had different Japanese names (the starters were revealed in May).

The reason of that is because the writers want to represent the feel int he anime like the games are and they are doing a reboot of the anime Although it didn0t happen is important because without this, we can never understand why Ash defeated Darkrai*and probably why the Sinnoh league really looks like an ultimate challenge.

*The promotion was horrible writing because in the spam of 4 weeks Ash was resetted completely. It's true that has happened before but not to this diffrrence (Ash fdefeating legendaries >>> Ash acting like a newbie)). In other region Ash was resetted... but not like DP - BW.

The problem of Ash happened in BW1. However, because we don't know Best Wishes and because the high notes of DP, we were expecting something big like DP. When it became obvious that isn't; many fans of DP stopped watching the show. Because that, the audience went from very "excellent" to "good" in mid BW.

For me, the promotion seems to be the promotion that they do if they actually pretend that an older character is rejoining (although it applies to returning in a way) rather that if a new character is going to debut. The anime debuted Iris (even uncovered the silhouettes) before any trace of Iris was in the games. Same with Cilan althougb for a few days.

 

[Misty Calls Masquerain]

Count me in. She is great character and it would be really refreshing to see familiar face after long time coming back being taken through new , exciting direction .

Yes and Brock. Misty has an Azurill (or whatever it is now) and it's part-Fairy now (Marill is, anyway), and Brock's Chansey might become part-Fairy too. They could even bring back researcher Gary who discovered a new type (Fairy of course). Heck, Tracey has a Marill which is undeniably part-Fairy so they could show more of him. I'd love to see how they're doing.

 

[Hidden Mew]

There's already a thread to discuss who the new companions can be here: http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f716/if-iris-dento-gone-who-do-you-think-will-new-companions-152739/ I don't either this or that thread to de-evolve into another Misty discussion, but at least it is more on topic there. Please keep the discussion here focused on whether or not Iris and/or Cilan will leave. Thank you.

 

[Swadloon]

I am almost sure that they won't be with Ash in Kalos. They are typical from Unova. I think they will want to use new characters from Kalos, to better promote the new game.

The only reason why Brock or Misty were used in other regions was because they were classic characters. The fear of making a new Tracey also contributed to use Brock again and again, although I don't even complain about it, since Brock is a really fantastic character.

That's a pity because I do like Cilan. He has a really creative personality. I will be happy if they forget Iris forever, though. I think she's annoyingly repetitive.

 

[Hidden Mew]

I am almost sure that they won't be with Ash in Kalos. They are typical from Unova. I think they will want to use new characters from Kalos, to better promote the new game.

The only reason why Brock or Misty were used in other regions was because they were classic characters. The fear of making a new Tracey also contributed to use Brock again and again, although I don't even complain about it, since Brock is a really fantastic character.

I agree that they'll want to use new characters from Kalos to better promote the games. I could maybe see Cilan staying, but Iris is definitely going to leave at least. I think that Misty and Brock were kept for Johto because they wanted to bring the original trio back for that saga and there weren't any characters from the G/S games that could replace them. Brock stuck around for AG and DP most likely because there weren't any characters from the games to replace him and they probably didn't want to get rid of him and Misty in AG. There are already a couple of female characters from X/Y that could replace Iris, so she isn't sticking around. The main factor that could contribute to Cilan staying would be if there isn't a character from the games to fulfill his role, as well as possibly the popularity of his Japanese voice actor, but if there is a character from the games that they can use, then he'll be gone too.

That's a pity because I do like Cilan. He has a really creative personality. I will be happy if they forget Iris forever, though. I think she's annoyingly repetitive.

I like Cilan too. He's a fun and likable character. It would be too bad to see him go, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it either. I'd be happy if they forgot Iris too. The sooner she goes, the better as far as I'm concerned.

 

[QuietDragon]

I like Dent and Iris' dynamic too much to want them split up. Either both go (entirely likely) or both stay (impossible, unless they're joined by Kalos region trainers, which would make for the biggest travelling group ever).

Even outside of shipping preferences, Dent and Iris' personalities and natures (tomboyish, brash, wild child versus sophisticated, classy waiter) are quite complementary, so it wouldn't be as enjoyable --at least for me-- if we can't have them both. Then again, Dent's a good source of humour on his own... but, there's always the fear of him going worn-out like poor Takeshi, so leaving in his prime is for the best.

And as Araragi Hakase said on the first page, Iris' plotline is pretty much done. ^^; She will go train with Ibuki/Clair and eventually succeed Shaga as Gym Leader. Dent will either continue travelling separately to practice as a Sommelier or rejoin his brothers at the Gym/Restaurant.

Ah! Maybe he could become (or leave with the goal of becoming) an S-Class Sommelier before the series ends, maybe?

 

[Palamon]

No, they won't. Both of them are going to leave. There are many indications otherwise. Think about it: both Brock and Dawn left, did they not? So, they'll both be replaced imo. I'll put it this way: they're not going to stay because in Kalos, they're both being replaced. I just can't see them going to Kalos with them. They're not even in the trailer in the X and Y anime, so nope.

 

[Jukain]

I will remind you that if you watched the beginning of both AG and DP with no knowledge of what was going to happen, then you would think Ash is going to be by himself in both regions, barring the focus on Dawn in DP.

 

[Hidden Mew]

I will remind you that if you watched the beginning of both AG and DP with no knowledge of what was going to happen, then you would think Ash is going to be by himself in both regions, barring the focus on Dawn in DP.

I thought that was more the case with DP rather than AG since the first episode of DP was almost completely centered on Dawn. Ash didn't even appear until the last couple of minutes. With AG, the focus was a bit more equal on him and May. Though, he'll just start off on his own like usual and then meet with the rest of the cast in the next few episodes in XY.