The Fairy Type and Alterations to Type Chart

[WindBlast]

Any chance coro coro had a typo and ice is aactually buffed this gen?
And does anyone know what is the reaction of the Japanese audience ( target audience) in regards to the type chart? I bet they are raging with anger!!!

 

[SquirtleMan493]

Any chance coro coro had a typo and ice is aactually buffed this gen?
And does anyone know what is the reaction of the Japanese audience ( target audience) in regards to the type chart? I bet they are raging with anger!!!

I honestly am hoping the same thing. That they remembered the Steel changes, but forgot to edit the Ice type's match up. >_>

 

[The Outrage]

Ghost and Fire-types really somehow won out on this one. All the little changes have added up to what feels like a significant (and uneeded) buff for Ghost-types both offensively and defensively. I'm concerned that Ghost may be the new Dragon.

They're offensively as strong as Dragons are now (type-wise, anyway) hitting most types neutral (with two types SE) and resisted by one and cannot hit another. But unlike Dragons, they didn't have a version of Outrage (which now seems like it would be less used thanks to immunities) or were consistently made into pseudo-legendaries.

But yeah, I guess defensively, they are stronger than Dragons, especially if Fairy usage increases to counter Dragon, which inadvertently drives down Dark usage.

 

[Infinity Mk-II]

So I don't think Bug really is going to take that bad of a hit. It still nails Dark types better than Fighting types for STAB, which admittedly isn't a wonderful thing, but they aren't weak to neither Psychic nor Fairy. More importantly, they also resist Ground, which thanks to its perfect pairing with Fairy it will be useful.

They take Rock damage, sure, but not being weak to Fairy nor Poison AND resisting Ground seems useful to write them off as "useless".

The type will lose most its main offensive pressence though, which revolved in the Psychic and Dark SE. There are still many Psychic legendaries though, so not all is lost there either.


I'd say Grass is in more trouble, being weak to the better Poison offense.

 

[Almonds]

My only concern being Metagross dying to a Shadow Ball easily ;_; Noooooo...

 

[WindBlast]

Any chance coro coro had a typo and ice is aactually buffed this gen?
And does anyone know what is the reaction of the Japanese audience ( target audience) in regards to the type chart? I bet they are raging with anger!!!

I honestly am hoping the same thing. That they remembered the Steel changes, but forgot to edit the Ice type's match up. >_>

what if corocoro deliberately did this to make ppl rage and before release we can get a sorry there was a typo kind of message? GF and nintendo would do anything to market the games, right?

So I don't think Bug really is going to take that bad of a hit. It still nails Dark types better than Fighting types for STAB, which admittedly isn't a wonderful thing, but they aren't weak to neither Psychic nor Fairy. More importantly, they also resist Ground, which thanks to its perfect pairing with Fairy it will be useful.

They take Rock damage, sure, but not being weak to Fairy nor Poison AND resisting Ground seems useful to write them off as "useless".

The type will lose most its main offensive pressence though, which revolved in the Psychic and Dark SE. There are still many Psychic legendaries though, so not all is lost there either.


I'd say Grass is in more trouble, being weak to the better Poison offense.

How is bug better at beating evil than fighting? Fighting is both SE and resist evil, while bug is only SE. Besides, fighting is SE against other 4 types and is is not weak to rock so go figure.
Ice will go instinct because there is practically no reason for it anymore. and before anyone says dragons with X4 weakness, I'd like to remind you that fairies and ice beam spearheaded waters types will be waaaaay safer than ice especially if now steel types will rise into prominence.
Bugs will go extinct too. as evil is now checked by fairies that are also strong against fighting ( that resists bug)
Grass will go extinct too as it's got no practical use being walled by 7 types and all of the types its SE against have far more "safe to use" check.

 

[colours]

"Grass/Bugs will go extinct"

I apologize, but that is a very ignorant statement you've made. Grass and Bugs are hardly in a position to be going "extinct". I think people are relying too much about the number of weaknesses and not the actual potential of the Pokemon themselves. Keep in mind that Pokemon like Celebi have a variety of weaknesses if you want to go by number, and yet I believe Celebi is one of the most used Pokemon in OU (along with Breloom, Ferrothorn, etc). The number of weaknesses does not always dictate how useful a Pokemon is; rather it is its stats, movepool, and role in fitting into a team (as well as general usability) that determines whether or not that particular Pokemon is viable out in the battlefield.

In terms of Bugs type, I believe Scizor is going to remain firmly where it is in OU. Of course, you can say that it is primarily because of its Steel typing, allowing it to check Fairies with quite the powerful Bullet Punch. Do not forget however, that once Fairy checks are gone, Bugs are pretty much free to rampage however they feel like. It's like the situation with Dragons pre-Gen VI; all you had to do is get rid of Steel/Ice types and sit back, and click outrage. I imagine this to be no different.

 

[Infinity Mk-II]

How is bug better at beating evil than fighting? Fighting is both SE and resist evil, while bug is only SE. Besides, fighting is SE against other 4 types and is is not weak to rock so go figure.

Because Bug isn't weak to a type that already beats Dark AND Fighting and will be pretty much omnipresent (Fairy). I am talking about Bug as a STAB, meaning a typed pokémon. Purely offensively, Fighting is pretty useful for Steel types, but Fighting coverage is very common already, and resisting THAT is more efficient than resisting Bug (which is a TERRIBLE coverage)

Ultimately, my point is that Bug is still good defensively, and because a Bug type is obviously going to have Bug attacks, they don't have to worry about anything they didn't have to worry about already other than probably some increase in Fire types, while still doing what they used to do with Dark types.


Type relations go much deeper than simply counting how many SE and resistences does one thing have.

Scizor and Volcarona will remain top pokémon specially now with their Fairy resistances. As for Grass types, of course when I was saying that they'll take a hit I was thinking particularly about Breeloom since it recieves both an indirect and a direct type nerf. Venusaur and Forretress will very obviously do well.


But even for Grass, it will hardly make them "extinct" as if they were Ice. It will hinder them, though, and I believe worse than Bug simply being resisted by yet another thing and losing its main offensive niché. But that's just in the abstract theory on how the types relate to each other.

 

[WindBlast]

I'm not just talking about the number of weaknesses that each type has. Why would I use grass ( as a pokemon not as a move) when water already does all the job? and just because we have a specific pokemon from bug or grass that doesn't mean the the whole type would be needed..I do realize that sats and movepools are important and this is exactly the point because underused types like grass and bugs do not have good stats and/ or good movepools at all. And by all means I'd like for anyone to convince me of how is ice ever gonna be used again in the metagame.

Edit: Fairy is the new OP types ( granted we would have to see the general stat first and the moves), but it is shaping out to be. Both of its weakness are walled by ground so just teach your fairy a ground type and everything will be fine.

 

[Amoebo]

Any chance coro coro had a typo and ice is aactually buffed this gen?
And does anyone know what is the reaction of the Japanese audience ( target audience) in regards to the type chart? I bet they are raging with anger!!!

I honestly am hoping the same thing. That they remembered the Steel changes, but forgot to edit the Ice type's match up. >_>

what if corocoro deliberately did this to make ppl rage and before release we can get a sorry there was a typo kind of message? GF and nintendo would do anything to market the games, right?

So I don't think Bug really is going to take that bad of a hit. It still nails Dark types better than Fighting types for STAB, which admittedly isn't a wonderful thing, but they aren't weak to neither Psychic nor Fairy. More importantly, they also resist Ground, which thanks to its perfect pairing with Fairy it will be useful.

They take Rock damage, sure, but not being weak to Fairy nor Poison AND resisting Ground seems useful to write them off as "useless".

The type will lose most its main offensive pressence though, which revolved in the Psychic and Dark SE. There are still many Psychic legendaries though, so not all is lost there either.


I'd say Grass is in more trouble, being weak to the better Poison offense.

How is bug better at beating evil than fighting? Fighting is both SE and resist evil, while bug is only SE. Besides, fighting is SE against other 4 types and is is not weak to rock so go figure.
Ice will go instinct because there is practically no reason for it anymore. and before anyone says dragons with X4 weakness, I'd like to remind you that fairies and ice beam spearheaded waters types will be waaaaay safer than ice especially if now steel types will rise into prominence.
Bugs will go extinct too. as evil is now checked by fairies that are also strong against fighting ( that resists bug)
Grass will go extinct too as it's got no practical use being walled by 7 types and all of the types its SE against have far more "safe to use" check.

please go on sir so i can chuckle at your stupidity.

poison gets a niche: bulkier counter to fairys *sp.def and all*

 

[Zeta]

Edit: Fairy is the new OP types ( granted we would have to see the general stat first and the moves), but it is shaping out to be. Both of its weakness are walled by ground so just teach your fairy a ground type and everything will be fine.

Er, most Fairies seem to be Special oriented, so I don't think Earthquake is going to do them any good. Also, practically everything with a tail can learn Iron Tail.

 

[WindBlast]

Any chance coro coro had a typo and ice is aactually buffed this gen?
And does anyone know what is the reaction of the Japanese audience ( target audience) in regards to the type chart? I bet they are raging with anger!!!

I honestly am hoping the same thing. That they remembered the Steel changes, but forgot to edit the Ice type's match up. >_>

what if corocoro deliberately did this to make ppl rage and before release we can get a sorry there was a typo kind of message? GF and nintendo would do anything to market the games, right?

So I don't think Bug really is going to take that bad of a hit. It still nails Dark types better than Fighting types for STAB, which admittedly isn't a wonderful thing, but they aren't weak to neither Psychic nor Fairy. More importantly, they also resist Ground, which thanks to its perfect pairing with Fairy it will be useful.

They take Rock damage, sure, but not being weak to Fairy nor Poison AND resisting Ground seems useful to write them off as "useless".

The type will lose most its main offensive pressence though, which revolved in the Psychic and Dark SE. There are still many Psychic legendaries though, so not all is lost there either.


I'd say Grass is in more trouble, being weak to the better Poison offense.

How is bug better at beating evil than fighting? Fighting is both SE and resist evil, while bug is only SE. Besides, fighting is SE against other 4 types and is is not weak to rock so go figure.
Ice will go instinct because there is practically no reason for it anymore. and before anyone says dragons with X4 weakness, I'd like to remind you that fairies and ice beam spearheaded waters types will be waaaaay safer than ice especially if now steel types will rise into prominence.
Bugs will go extinct too. as evil is now checked by fairies that are also strong against fighting ( that resists bug)
Grass will go extinct too as it's got no practical use being walled by 7 types and all of the types its SE against have far more "safe to use" check.

please go on sir so i can chuckle at your stupidity.

poison gets a niche: bulkier counter to fairys *sp.def and all*

Stupidity? ok, that's mature.

Could you care to explain how the type chart is balanced now then?

@ Zeta: so they can't like stick special ground moves on them now? if anything Geocontrol seems to be a ground type now too thanks to the ???
Also, even if flying and bugs are resisted to fighting, this never seemed to be a problem because fighting and ground both learn rock type moves. there is a reason why we only find few pokemon from those types in the metagame.

 

[Zeta]

Geo Control is exclusive to Xerneas and Earth Power is hardly learned by anything that's not already Ground or Rock. The only exceptions are Sunflora, Torkoal, some dragons, and Mew.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Are people REALLY hoping that CoroCoro made a typo about Ice not having any new resistances or strengths? That is so delusional.

 

[WindBlast]

Geo Control is exclusive to Xerneas and Earth Power isn't learned by hardly anything that's not already Ground or Rock.

My point is fairy is weak to 2 types only that are both weak to one common type. It is not that hard to believe that fairies will most probably start having special ground type moves in their move pools as well. and geocontrol ( while exclusive to Xerneas) does give some sort of a hint that fairies will be able to use ground moves as a theme.

 

[Amoebo]

Any chance coro coro had a typo and ice is aactually buffed this gen?
And does anyone know what is the reaction of the Japanese audience ( target audience) in regards to the type chart? I bet they are raging with anger!!!

I honestly am hoping the same thing. That they remembered the Steel changes, but forgot to edit the Ice type's match up. >_>

what if corocoro deliberately did this to make ppl rage and before release we can get a sorry there was a typo kind of message? GF and nintendo would do anything to market the games, right?

So I don't think Bug really is going to take that bad of a hit. It still nails Dark types better than Fighting types for STAB, which admittedly isn't a wonderful thing, but they aren't weak to neither Psychic nor Fairy. More importantly, they also resist Ground, which thanks to its perfect pairing with Fairy it will be useful.

They take Rock damage, sure, but not being weak to Fairy nor Poison AND resisting Ground seems useful to write them off as "useless".

The type will lose most its main offensive pressence though, which revolved in the Psychic and Dark SE. There are still many Psychic legendaries though, so not all is lost there either.


I'd say Grass is in more trouble, being weak to the better Poison offense.

How is bug better at beating evil than fighting? Fighting is both SE and resist evil, while bug is only SE. Besides, fighting is SE against other 4 types and is is not weak to rock so go figure.
Ice will go instinct because there is practically no reason for it anymore. and before anyone says dragons with X4 weakness, I'd like to remind you that fairies and ice beam spearheaded waters types will be waaaaay safer than ice especially if now steel types will rise into prominence.
Bugs will go extinct too. as evil is now checked by fairies that are also strong against fighting ( that resists bug)
Grass will go extinct too as it's got no practical use being walled by 7 types and all of the types its SE against have far more "safe to use" check.

please go on sir so i can chuckle at your stupidity.

poison gets a niche: bulkier counter to fairys *sp.def and all*

Stupidity? ok, that's mature.

Could you care to explain how the type chart is balanced now then?

@ Zeta: so they can't like stick special ground moves on them now? if anything Geocontrol seems to be a ground type now too thanks to the ???
Also, even if flying and bugs are resisted to fighting, this never seemed to be a problem because fighting and ground both learn rock type moves. there is a reason why we only find few pokemon from those types in the metagame.

poison gets a new resistance and becomes the best counter possible to because of they're high sp.def

steel loses 2 resistance, one type which has no prominence in OU, but gains a resistance to fairy (still good but not as great as a counter as poison)

fighting gains a weakness which is necessary because it has one of the most diverse movepools (some fighters lean poison jab and almost all learn a steel move

bug gets a type that resists it, still a good counter for the soon-to-be metagross counters in umbreon

fire gets a resistance (which i think is pure aesthetic because fairys apparently equal nature and fire destroys nature

so yes, amuse me more.

 

[Zeta]

My point is fairy is weak to 2 types only that are both weak to one common type. It is not that hard to believe that fairies most probably start having special ground type moves in their move pools as well. and geocontrol ( while exclusive to Xerneas) does give some sort of a hint that fairies will be able to use ground moves as a theme.

You are contradicting yourself here. You're saying Fairies have nothing to fear if they learn Ground moves. Well, Pokemon that aren't Steel or Poison can learn Poison and Steel moves.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Fighting gaining a weakness wasn't necessary at all.

Game Freak should have made some other type resist Fighting-type moves instead, because the type is "too good" offensively, not defensively.

 

[WindBlast]

Are people REALLY hoping that CoroCoro made a typo about Ice not having any new resistances or strengths? That is so delusional.

Ok, seriously now, why is this so hard to believe? I'm not saying it will happen I'm just saying it might be. And also marketing stunts happen all the time. I personally don't belive that they " accidentally " put Torimian in the ND video..come on now a worldwide video and they don't even double check it before broadcast? Same similar thing happened in the French site too. so a typo would not be that hard to believe.

Any chance coro coro had a typo and ice is aactually buffed this gen?
And does anyone know what is the reaction of the Japanese audience ( target audience) in regards to the type chart? I bet they are raging with anger!!!

I honestly am hoping the same thing. That they remembered the Steel changes, but forgot to edit the Ice type's match up. >_>

what if corocoro deliberately did this to make ppl rage and before release we can get a sorry there was a typo kind of message? GF and nintendo would do anything to market the games, right?

So I don't think Bug really is going to take that bad of a hit. It still nails Dark types better than Fighting types for STAB, which admittedly isn't a wonderful thing, but they aren't weak to neither Psychic nor Fairy. More importantly, they also resist Ground, which thanks to its perfect pairing with Fairy it will be useful.

They take Rock damage, sure, but not being weak to Fairy nor Poison AND resisting Ground seems useful to write them off as "useless".

The type will lose most its main offensive pressence though, which revolved in the Psychic and Dark SE. There are still many Psychic legendaries though, so not all is lost there either.


I'd say Grass is in more trouble, being weak to the better Poison offense.

How is bug better at beating evil than fighting? Fighting is both SE and resist evil, while bug is only SE. Besides, fighting is SE against other 4 types and is is not weak to rock so go figure.
Ice will go instinct because there is practically no reason for it anymore. and before anyone says dragons with X4 weakness, I'd like to remind you that fairies and ice beam spearheaded waters types will be waaaaay safer than ice especially if now steel types will rise into prominence.
Bugs will go extinct too. as evil is now checked by fairies that are also strong against fighting ( that resists bug)
Grass will go extinct too as it's got no practical use being walled by 7 types and all of the types its SE against have far more "safe to use" check.

please go on sir so i can chuckle at your stupidity.

poison gets a niche: bulkier counter to fairys *sp.def and all*

Stupidity? ok, that's mature.

Could you care to explain how the type chart is balanced now then?

@ Zeta: so they can't like stick special ground moves on them now? if anything Geocontrol seems to be a ground type now too thanks to the ???
Also, even if flying and bugs are resisted to fighting, this never seemed to be a problem because fighting and ground both learn rock type moves. there is a reason why we only find few pokemon from those types in the metagame.

poison gets a new resistance and becomes the best counter possible to because of they're high sp.def

steel loses 2 resistance, one type which has no prominence in OU, but gains a resistance to fairy (still good but not as great as a counter as poison)

fighting gains a weakness which is necessary because it has one of the most diverse movepools (some fighters lean poison jab and almost all learn a steel move

bug gets a type that resists it, still a good counter for the soon-to-be metagross counters in umbreon

fire gets a resistance (which i think is pure aesthetic because fairys apparently equal nature and fire destroys natu re

so yes, amuse me more.

Wow Condrats, you have just stated the obvious! What about ice then? and grass? and flying? and bug? To balance the chart is to give all the 18 types equal chances. and this is hardly the case.
You know what amuses me? your inability to address strangers with civility. I know that people tend to "temporarily" forget their etiquette on line, but this is simply atrocious.

My point is fairy is weak to 2 types only that are both weak to one common type. It is not that hard to believe that fairies most probably start having special ground type moves in their move pools as well. and geocontrol ( while exclusive to Xerneas) does give some sort of a hint that fairies will be able to use ground moves as a theme.

You are contradicting yourself here. You're saying Fairies have nothing to fear if they learn Ground moves. Well, Pokemon that aren't Steel or Poison can learn Poison and Steel moves.

That's kinda true, but it is also true that fairies can pack all of their fears in one bag, unlike dragons now for example. Remember that I'm talking about the metagame here not in game battles.

 

[Rainbow]

A typo is different to a complete type chart. If they had just put all the new weakness/resistances in text, maybe.

It's sucks that Ice got nothing at all, but that's just the way it'll be.