BDSP HMs - Keep or Toss?

[RileyXY1]

This is a thread where you can discuss HMs, or what could be used in their place.

 

[Johnny Boy]

Hard toss. Just do what let’s go did in terms of hm replacement and have certain Pokemon perform certain skills (ex: Floatzel for surf and glameow for cut).

 

[LuxrayOfTheWild]

I genuinely hope they stay out. Nobody likes HM's. The last 4 games have avoided them.

 

[dig]

I reckon they'll keep them as they were in DP.

Personally, I really like HMs as a mechanic. What could be better is just owning the HMs and a compatible Pokemon means you can use the HM during game play.

 

[Emelie]

I would say toss but then again I guess having to manage the HM slaves made the game more difficult. But it was also annoying to always catch a flying Pokemon every time I erased my old save file. I was always struggling with finding a flying Pokemon that I hadn't already used especially since early bird Pokemon aren't too exciting. You don't want a flying HM slave since you need Fly all the time unlike the other HM moves (except for Surf I guess).

 

[Phosphene]

I'd imagine HMS are going to be tossed or reworked in some way so that they are less intrusive and restricting.

 

[Alola]

Do away with them if they aren't going to make them practical or improved (Mt. Coronet flashbacks). For example, Strength should be a Rock-type or Fighting-type move given its application; think of the type coverage a lot of Pokémon would get too.

 

[Defiant]

To me faithful remake suggests they will be back just as they were in ORAS

 

[Norzan]

Toss HMs, and bring back the mechanic from the Gen 7 games where you could ride pokemon that also did the same stuff as HMs.

 

[Enzo]

Toss it away as hard as you possibly can. HMs were a pain the butt and Sinnoh's biggest sin imo. They only really started lessening their hand on it in BW/BW2 since you only needed Surf and Waterfall as obrigatory to finish the story. Same for XY with only Surf and Strenght being mandatory. And SM/USUM/SWSH did it even better by getting rid of it completely. I almost cried tears of joy when I realized I could have any team and moveset I wanted in Alola cuz I didn't need the trio of ''Flying Type with Fly'', ''Water type with Surf, Dive and Waterfall'' and the ''HM Slave''.

 

[nickdt]

In remakes, keep. They were an OG core mechanic that i think they should be faithfull too. However, make it so you can remove HM's.

 

[Puddle]

Toss! But keep the field obstacles and introduce a new feature for removing them. I quite like the idea some other people have suggested - field moves that you can teach to your Pokemon, but which aren't usable in battle and don't take up one of your four move slots.

 

[Digifiend]

Convert them to TMs. Since Generation 5, TMs are no longer single use anyway, so the only difference between HM moves and TM moves is that HM moves can't be deleted (fixed later when they removed HMs entirely in Gen 7, and would also be fixed by just making them TMs).

 

[Sakuraa]

I doubt we'll see them since they haven't been used in ages.

 

[SlowGinFizzzz]

I expect (and – unpopular opinion – hope) that they'll be back for these games. I've always liked the challenge of having to balance strong/efficient moves you need in battle with field moves that you need outside of battles. I could see them allowing you to forget HM moves on the go, though, or perhaps even retcon them into field moves only, i. e. you would need the HM and have a compatible Pokémon in your party, but it wouldn't take away any of your move slots.

 

[prog rocker]

Toss! Gen VII was the first time I could make a team to my liking, and I would like to be able to do the same with Sinnoh.

 

[Chidamari Sketch]

Toss 'em straight into the stratosphere for all I care.

 

[prog rocker]

Toss 'em straight into the stratosphere for all I care.

That wouldn't be far enough.

 

[Poke Dragon]

100% toss, there are ways to make long exploration possible without ruining the overall flow of gameplay.

 

[CynthiaLover]

Toss them so hard and far they end up in Ultra Metropolis. HMs were the absolute bane of Gen 4 as a whole, and Sinnoh was the worst offender of them. ESPECIALLY when it came to Mt. Coronet, as you always needed the most recent HM (sans Cut and Fly) to reach a new part of it. No, HMs need to die a fiery, awful death and not return to these games. Even if it's just using the bike to simulate HMs or something like Poke Ride, then I'm all for it. Just NO HMs.