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Move Tutors/Expanding movepools

Glalie most likely gets Freeze-Dry as a new level-up move since Snorunt's level-up or egg movesets don't have it, and Freeze-Dry isn't a tutor move.
 
Ampharos King said:
Looks like Glalie line has access to Freeze-Dry now.

Elite Four Glacia - 911
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Pokemon: 6
Abomasnow (Lv. 72) (Ability: Snow Warning) (Moves: Blizzard/Wood Hammer/Ice Shard/Earthquake)
Beartic (Lv. 72) (Ability: Snow Cloak) (Moves: Icicle Crash/Slash/Shadow Claw/Brick Break)
Froslass (Lv. 72) (Ability: Snow Cloak) (Moves: Draining Kiss/Blizzard/Hail/Shadow Ball)
Vanilluxe (Lv. 72) (Ability: Ice Body) (Moves: Ice Beam/Mirror Coat/Freeze-Dry/Signal Beam)
Walrein (Lv. 72) (Ability: Thick Fat) (Moves: Surf/Body Slam/Blizzard/Sheer Cold)
Glalie (Lv. 74) @Glalitite (Ability: Inner Focus) (Moves: Protect/Ice Shard/Hail/Freeze-Dry)
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And of course, the move-set for her Mega Glalie sucks. None of the moves take advantage of its ability and they are all relatively weak.
 
Hilbert said:
Ampharos King said:
Looks like Glalie line has access to Freeze-Dry now.

Elite Four Glacia - 911
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Pokemon: 6
Abomasnow (Lv. 72) (Ability: Snow Warning) (Moves: Blizzard/Wood Hammer/Ice Shard/Earthquake)
Beartic (Lv. 72) (Ability: Snow Cloak) (Moves: Icicle Crash/Slash/Shadow Claw/Brick Break)
Froslass (Lv. 72) (Ability: Snow Cloak) (Moves: Draining Kiss/Blizzard/Hail/Shadow Ball)
Vanilluxe (Lv. 72) (Ability: Ice Body) (Moves: Ice Beam/Mirror Coat/Freeze-Dry/Signal Beam)
Walrein (Lv. 72) (Ability: Thick Fat) (Moves: Surf/Body Slam/Blizzard/Sheer Cold)
Glalie (Lv. 74) @Glalitite (Ability: Inner Focus) (Moves: Protect/Ice Shard/Hail/Freeze-Dry)
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And of course, the move-set for her Mega Glalie sucks. None of the moves take advantage of its ability and they are all relatively weak.
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Has any NPC outside Frontier/Subway/Mansion, ever cared about optimal movesets?
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Hilbert said:
Ampharos King said:
Looks like Glalie line has access to Freeze-Dry now.

Elite Four Glacia - 911
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Pokemon: 6
Abomasnow (Lv. 72) (Ability: Snow Warning) (Moves: Blizzard/Wood Hammer/Ice Shard/Earthquake)
Beartic (Lv. 72) (Ability: Snow Cloak) (Moves: Icicle Crash/Slash/Shadow Claw/Brick Break)
Froslass (Lv. 72) (Ability: Snow Cloak) (Moves: Draining Kiss/Blizzard/Hail/Shadow Ball)
Vanilluxe (Lv. 72) (Ability: Ice Body) (Moves: Ice Beam/Mirror Coat/Freeze-Dry/Signal Beam)
Walrein (Lv. 72) (Ability: Thick Fat) (Moves: Surf/Body Slam/Blizzard/Sheer Cold)
Glalie (Lv. 74) @Glalitite (Ability: Inner Focus) (Moves: Protect/Ice Shard/Hail/Freeze-Dry)
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And of course, the move-set for her Mega Glalie sucks. None of the moves take advantage of its ability and they are all relatively weak.
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Has any NPC outside Frontier/Subway/Mansion, ever cared about optimal movesets?
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Yes actually. The Ace Trainers, beginning in Generation IV. Then you also have your occasional competent NPC every now and then (BW Volt Switch Elesa & Water Sport Surskit Viola to name a few...oh and Whitney). Besides when you look at Glacia's other party member's move-sets, they're all much better than her signature Glalie (even her Abomasnow takes advantage of its ability with Blizzard, along with Froslass and Beartic's Snow Cloaks).
 
Hilbert said:
Ampharos King said:
Looks like Glalie line has access to Freeze-Dry now.
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And of course, the move-set for her Mega Glalie sucks. None of the moves take advantage of its ability and they are all relatively weak.
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Actually i noticed that it isn't Glacia's Glalie that's bad, but Refrigerate on M Glalie is just a poor choice of ability.

Ampharos King said:
Sakuraa said:
Sucks that Dedenne didn't get any Fairy moves. Hell, it didn't get any useful moves at all.
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Dedenne gets Signal Beam. Signal Beam hits Grass-, Psychic-, and Dark-type moves super-effectively.
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Does that mean Dedenne still can't use TM99? Lame.
 
PickleMendip said:
Actually i noticed that it isn't Glacia's Glalie that's bad, but Refrigerate on M Glalie is just a poor choice of ability.
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Hardly. Glalie's best physical Ice move is Ice Fang, which is only 97.5 BP after STAB - a non-STAB Earthquake hits harder. They could have given it Icicle Crash, but that's, what, 127.5 BP after STAB? However, it also has a chance to miss, unlike other similar power STAB moves like Shadow Ball and Crunch. So really the best option for a physical Ice move really sucks in comparison to what other types get. A ~200 power Ice move with no chance to miss (Return) is a godsend and let's not forget that beautiful 487 power Explosion to go out with a bang (though I do think people are too focused on it exploding). If you are lucky enough to have a Double-Edge Glalie from Gen III then that's even better for you as that hits 240 power with Refrigerate and STAB factored in.

They should have given Glacia's Glalie Return at least, but I can only assume they might have considered it too strong: for reference, Mega Glalie's Refrigerate Return hits ~10% harder than a Life Orb Mamoswine's Icicle Crash - Mamoswine being one of the strongest Ice-types and having a very good base Attack of 130 - and you don't see the game using powerful attackers with those kind of items very often, if at all (esp outside of Battle Maison and the like). Either that or they don't know what they are doing... which, given it's Game Freak, wouldn't exactly surprise me.
 
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They seriously should have added Focus Blast to Pidgeot movepool. With No Guard it never misses and provides really good coverage against Heatran, Tyranitar and other mons that wall it.
 
Is it likely the shards will be back as tutor currency?

I'm just wondering how we'll find them, as they weren't in the original Hoenn games (at least I don't remember them until Sinnoh, so please correct me if I'm wrong).
 
LadySasaki said:
Is it likely the shards will be back as tutor currency?

I'm just wondering how we'll find them, as they weren't in the original Hoenn games (at least I don't remember them until Sinnoh, so please correct me if I'm wrong).
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Actually they were featured prominently in Hoenn, so I think it's likely that they return as tutor currency.
 
Oh! Where the heck were they? I only remember them from the Sinnoh Underground, and in Gen 5 from that tunnel...thingy...where shops popped up. I have totally blanked on what it was called, but you could buy pottery and stuff and shard would sometimes be in it. I honestly have no recollection of them in Hoenn. What were they used for back then?
 
LadySasaki said:
Oh! Where the heck were they? I only remember them from the Sinnoh Underground, and in Gen 5 from that tunnel...thingy...where shops popped up. I have totally blanked on what it was called, but you could buy pottery and stuff and shard would sometimes be in it. I honestly have no recollection of them in Hoenn. What were they used for back then?
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Evolution stones.
 
Yeah you could find them in some of the underwater areas and then you would trade them to the treasure hunter in the house on the little island west of Mossdeep in return for evolution stones. There wasn't many in the game though, so the way you'll collect them in ORAS will likely be different.
 
Forgive double post. Official site shows Blaziken knowing Ice Punch which it couldn't learn previously. Mega Swampert is also using Focus Punch, which it can't learn currently without being from Gen III or IV and also Superpower which is a tutor move only iirc. So we knew move tutors were returning, but this is confirmation of the elemental punches + Focus Punch + Superpower are move tutors in some form I guess.
 
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