Mareepy
Psycho Tsutarja fans
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I Totally Agree with you.Which is why they are elite trainers setting them apart from rest of people in pokemon world which focus their life on training and battling with pokemon. Champions or E4 members were all at some point inexperienced, arrogant, reckless and overconfident doing mistakes. They achieved such position through hard work, lot of renunciation and learning from mistakes.
No one is born skilled, collected, rational, observant and flexible with wise, smarter apptoach toward battles and opponents taking time to develop.
Underestimating your opponent doesnt mean your bad trainer. It simply means your young, inconsiderate and inexperienced having lot still to learn before reaching bigger heights as trainer.
Good Point on there, which is precisely what makes Misty a bad trainer. DID she learn from that mistake? Hardly, you could argue its another soft reset by writers though, who may have forgotten this episode.Not to mention some people are simply arrogant and overconfident by nature being part of that personality to think highly of themselves underestimating others. Which was one of main traits about Gary, but he was anything but weakling of a trainer.
Ash was in his beginning days pretty cocky and selfcentered too. Even nowadays when hes much more mature than before he still sometime does mistake of understimating opponents(like Viola or Sanpei). However difference between good and bad trainer is that former one will acknpwledge his mistakes learning lesson from defeat.
While bad one will think it was just luck.
Out of these, I personally think that Paul's Weavile losing out to Staraptor being the only relevant one.Im not sure what is so outrageous or surprising in Starmie losing to Graveler? Paul Weavile lost to Ash Staraptor despite having type advantage. Ash Torterra lost to Volkner Electivire. Dawn Mamoswine despite having type advantage lost easily to Dragonite. Etc. etc.
Most importantly several gym leaders who had type advantage vs Ash still lost to his unusual choice of moves and techniques such as Candice Weavile vs Grotle,Tate and Liza Solrock and Lunaton being overpowered by Swellov and Pikachu, Bugsy Spinarak losing to Chikorita which had double weakness etc.
Does that mean they are weak trainers because their pokemon can lose to those who are at disadvantage? Not really with outcome of battles not being determined just by statistic and numbers but luck, choice of attacks, experience, resistance and fighting spirit as well.
Torterra losing to Volkner's Electivire, I really thought Flint clearly stated that Volkner is no average Trainer. I am not surprised that he can win that one.
Dawn is not a competitive battler, she evolved Mamoswine from Piloswine, we all know how many serious battles that doesn't involve combination attacks and all sparkle stuff he is in. Do you remember that Dragonite doesn't listen to Iris and battle on his own? He has his own tactics and it works out. This proves the Dragonite have an unknown number of battle experience and is able to carry strategies out.
You made me question myself where did my Iris hate come from. Yeah, both of them didn't train onscreen alot, which is because the writers would write everything else before writing a training episode. Off screen training justifies Misty's wins? If it apply on Misty, it should apply on Iris as well.Im not going to discuss who deserved certain wins or didn't, thats matter of perception and what you consider to be believable, well paced battle. But ill just say how there were numerous instances and statements where it was mentioned how Iris or Misty trained their pokemon of screen. Which was practice OS were especially known for with most of Ash training happening of screen as well due to anime having different priorities centered more around aventure emotions and personality growth, discivering and resolving poke world mysteries etc). With battles and training often falling in second plan.
I agree with a few of those examples, but a lot of times, Ash is just challenging his first few Gym of the Region, having Pikachu and 1 or 2 NFE Pokemon while facing troubles in Gym Battle. And then there is some Gym Leaders losing out not to Ash's creativity when Ash is in pinch, but simply impulse.Naturally not all gym leaders are equally powerful, but based on what they showed when battling battle hardened more experienced trainers or when entering various competitions outside of gym majority of those which got showed werent pushovers displaying more skill, knowledge and ingenuity than your typical average trainers such as Casey, Taylor from pokeringer, Rocky and numerous others.
Most of them brought difficulties to Ash.
The show has shown that TR's technology is no let down, the laser nets and sorts actually works and is immune to Pokemon attacks like a lot of times. Aaron and Diantha simply caught by the element of surprise and, remember, THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE IN SUCH TECHNOLOGY, LET ALONE KNOWING THE WEAKNESS OF THE TECHNOLOGY. Ash also have no idea, so majority of the time, Ash used an outside attack or the Pokemon inside simply blindly full power hit, and then got lucky that it works. Its not like they are incompetent, they can't figure anything out because they have no knowledge of it, therefore no pre-thought strategy. On the other hand, I think if its vs Pokemon and not Technology, Aaron and Diantha will crush everyone on their path. And I also think the next time the meet such super resistance boxes, they will stroll through it because the already know how to deal with it.Element of shock and surprise can outrun even most competent, poied and smart trainers or persons. We saw TR bringing May father Norman in pinch with their pokemon through Weezing smokescreen blocking visibility. Putting E4 like Aaron in difficulties catching them of guard, or champions like Diantha when catching Gardevoir in super resistant box.
Does that mean theyre weak and incompetent? No because you can be very smart and skilled and still get outrun and put in pinch by less competent people if unexpected envoronment and strategy is used.
Smokescreen is a Pokemon move, having no counter to a Pokemon move once again proves that the Gym Leader is weak.
Gym battles were some of Ash hardest and most challenging matches up to this date requiring lot of planning, training and out of box thinking from Ash side to be able to defeat them. Such as against Whitney, Blaine, Fantina, Brawly, Winona etc.
Ash wins against them wasnt just walk through, but genuine reflect of his ingenuity, composure, strength and steadiness not giving up no matter whats thrown at him.
By depreciating gym leaders strength and challenge they delivered through history of Ash long journey, whole Ash succes and craftiness is underestimated as well.
I kind of disagree that other Trainers have 'good for nothing skills'. They gathered 8 badges, surely they have some skills.
But again, one can argue that by reviewing the Misty battle, beating Gym Battles are actually super easy because they are weaklings, that makes the League competitors just above weaklings, and Ash is just an average trainer, who is stronger than weaklings. That is all I can say.
I did clarify that underestimating Gym Leaders also undermines Ash's success.
I think Ash is an above average trainer, even a good one. But Gym Leaders aren't that strong, really. They are, alot of times just another average trainer.
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