Possible Ruby and Sapphire Gen V: Official Discussion and Speculation thread

[Falconwing]

Last warning guys. Continue with the Sevii Island talk and there will be off-topic infractions.

 

[Joshawott]

Two possibilities:

1. Feebas might return to its original evolution method in the remakes due to contests and Pokeblocks returning.

2. Contests and Pokeblocks will be removed and replaced with something else, which means Feebas will retain it's new method of Evolution.

It would be odd if Contests were removed, as they were one of the big selling points of Ruby and Sapphire. However, if they remove the method altogether, then it would confuse Black and White players. However, in Black and White, if a Feebas has max contest stats, it will still evolve :S

 

[RudolphMilotic]

It would be odd if Contests were removed, as they were one of the big selling points of Ruby and Sapphire. However, if they remove the method altogether, then it would confuse Black and White players. However, in Black and White, if a Feebas has max contest stats, it will still evolve :S

Not as confusing as what HGSS did with the Beauty condition stat, increasing it via some happiness-raising events but at the same time not informing you of how it happened. Besides, as the Contests condition stats are still in the data structure of any Black and White Pokémon, introducing them again in RS remakes wouldn't be an odd move on Game Freak's part. They gave to Feebas a new evolution method just because Contests aren't held in Isshu, and with loamy soil being removed from the in-game mechanics altogether, putting a way to make PokéBlocks or Poffins would be hard and pretty pointless.

And though I love Generation III-style Pokémon Contests, I don't think they were a "big selling point" for the games. Secret Bases, a complete new region separated from the landmass of Kanto and Johto and Double Battles were indeed some of the big reasons to purchase the games.

 

[Litten]

The only thing in Black/White that opened up the possibility of a Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald remake for me was some of the in-game music. I mean, the Fukiyose City music has this weird Hoenn-esque feel about it, and I think I remember hearing some notes that were used in the Elite Four battle music from Hoenn, used in the Elite Four battle music from Isshu. The music seems similar to me in some ways.

 

[RudolphMilotic]

Something that brings up my attention is that the Soul Dew can't be gotten in Black or White at all. This could be easily fixed in the third version, a Mystery Gift/Dream World promotion or a new side game/sequel to PBR although I can't understand why the Sinnoh Dragon Trio orbs were included in the first place and the Soul Dew was left out.

 

[Ranger Jack Walker]

In RSE, you needed an event to get the soul dew anyway, right? I don't think the roaming Lati had a Soul Dew.

 

[RudolphMilotic]

In RSE, you needed an event to get the soul dew anyway, right? I don't think the roaming Lati had a Soul Dew.

Yes and the same is true for HGSS, though the events themselves were already programmed into the game. With BW however, there isn't an event in-game that lets you get the Soul Dew. And before anyone brings again the same question, remember that the Sinnoh Dragon Trio orbs are event-exclusive items in HGSS.

 

[Dizzard]

This is probably completely not connected but....anyone notice how the Hoenn box legends are the only ones not available in dream world. (or is it that they just don't have new abilities? I'm not sure)

Ho-oh, Lugia, Dialga and Palkia are listed as being in the dream world..

 

[Ranger Jack Walker]

The only thing in Black/White that opened up the possibility of a Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald remake for me was some of the in-game music. I mean, the Fukiyose City music has this weird Hoenn-esque feel about it, and I think I remember hearing some notes that were used in the Elite Four battle music from Hoenn, used in the Elite Four battle music from Isshu. The music seems similar to me in some ways.

Except that a lot of the old music from ALL previous games has been remixed and certain parts added to the new music.

For example the Reshiram/Zekrom Battle music has references to ALOT of the previous music.

 

[Silktree]

This is probably completely not connected but....anyone notice how the Hoenn box legends are the only ones not available in dream world. (or is it that they just don't have new abilities? I'm not sure)

Ho-oh, Lugia, Dialga and Palkia are listed as being in the dream world..

The Weather trio don't appear on Serebii's list because they haven't been given new abilities. As a matter of fact, they are three of the candidates for the next Dream World event, but since the selection is determined by fans, it is obvious that neither one of the trio will win the poll due to being easily obtainable in HGSS (it has already been indicated that Deoxys, Darkrai and Arceus are in the lead). There will be many more Dream World events later down the road, so it is safe to assume that the Weather trio and more importantly Regigigas will eventually be distributed despite not boasting new abilities.

Now, the reason the Weather trio don't have new abilities is that they wouldn't benefit from abilities other than the ones they already have. Besides, those abilities characterize them in much the same way as Levitate defines (most) floating Pokémon (which don't have second abilities, either). It is more interesting to note that Drought and Drizzle are no longer exclusive to Groudon and Kyogre. Granted, Ninetales and Politoed aren't going to affect the usage of the Hoenn titans (if only for the fact that they are used in different environments), but they will make them look less special than they were in the previous two generations.

Not only that, but the Weather trio are the only Uber legendaries that lack signature moves; even Mewtwo has Psycho Break to show off now. While there are some unobtainable moves in the data, it is clear that they are going to be exclusive to the Generation V legendaries (V-generate for Victini and both Frozen World and Cold Flare for Kyurem; Mystic Sword and Ancient Voice are already confirmed to be taught to Korediu and Meloetta, respectively, via in-game events). Why would Game Freak give a new signature move to Mewtwo if Groudon and Kyogre were going to be the secondary mascots in this generation? Does it make sense to give Reshiram and Zekrom two signature moves each (and three to Kyurem) while the Weather trio don't even have exclusive abilities anymore (Rayquaza's Air Lock has always had the same effect as Cloud Nine)? Remember that the Generation I starters had the Elemental Hyper Beam moves to themselves in Generation III, and the addition of Volt Tackle to Pikachu's moveset was no doubt part of the focus on Kanto.

Something that brings up my attention is that the Soul Dew can't be gotten in Black or White at all. This could be easily fixed in the third version, a Mystery Gift/Dream World promotion or a new side game/sequel to PBR although I can't understand why the Sinnoh Dragon Trio orbs were included in the first place and the Soul Dew was left out.

The Griseous Orb needs to be obtainable to unlock Origin Forme, and it only makes sense to use the opportunity to carry over the Adamant and Lustrous Orbs, as well (not to mention that it was convenient for the plot). It is important to note that these items aren't very useful from a competitive point of view.

In contrast, the Soul Dew is not needed; it makes Latias and Latios more overpowered than they should be, which is why it has been banned from official tournaments and the Battle Frontier. While it could easily be distributed to Generation V in any number of ways, I don't think it should; there is really no reason why Latias and Latios should have such a stark advantage over their generational counterparts (Cresselia, Heatran and Landlos, if not also Tornelos and Voltolos). I can see why the Soul Dew was added to Ruby and Sapphire back in the day, but Latias and Latios are no longer in their own category; I'd imagine that the Soul Dew was obtainable in PBR and HGSS because it could be transferred from Generation III, anyway.

Not as confusing as what HGSS did with the Beauty condition stat, increasing it via some happiness-raising events but at the same time not informing you of how it happened.

A lot of the evolution and Forme-altering methods aren't spelt out in the games. I don't believe that any of the NPCs explain how Kaburumo and Chobomaki evolve, and certainly not how Rotom or Deoxys can change their Formes. With Feebas in HGSS, Daisy was actually given a new line that was obviously meant to tip off players as to the change: "Grooming them helps them become more beautiful and friendly." Anyone who has played HGSS should be able to predict that grooming may increase Beauty in any game where Contests are absent. Besides, did anyone in Hoenn explain how Feebas could evolve? That was hardly obvious in 2002, and it wouldn't be to Black and White players, either.

Since Feebas is so easy to catch in Black and White (even Milotic is far easier to find in the wild than Feebas used to be), I don't think anyone would even bother to catch Feebas in Hoenn if remakes were released in this generation.

 

[Joshawott]

The Weather trio don't appear on Serebii's list because they haven't been given new abilities. As a matter of fact, they are three of the candidates for the next Dream World event, but since the selection is determined by fans, it is obvious that neither one of the trio will win the poll due to being easily obtainable in HGSS (it has already been indicated that Deoxys, Darkrai and Arceus are in the lead). There will be many more Dream World events later down the road, so it is safe to assume that the Weather trio and more importantly Regigigas will eventually be distributed despite not boasting new abilities.

Why do the Japanese always vote for Deoxys? As for Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza not getting Dream World abilities...because their abilities are their gimmick. The other legendaries spammed Pressure.

 

[Princess of Lumas]

One thing i feel that ppl keep on forgetting is that Pokemon and Nintendo are different companies. I think there will be a remake because pokemon wants to make moneyand it will be on the DS since it would make more money that way. Anything according to storyline is irrelevent; there is going to be a remake for the money and i will gladly buy it

 

[Joshawott]

One thing i feel that ppl keep on forgetting is that Pokemon and Nintendo are different companies. I think there will be a remake because pokemon wants to make moneyand it will be on the DS since it would make more money that way. Anything according to storyline is irrelevent; there is going to be a remake for the money and i will gladly buy it

Erm...and other companies don't want to make money?
Besides, iirc, "The Pokémon Company" is a subdivision of Nintendo, while GameFreak make the Pokémon games. "The Pokémon Company" just handle the rights to the franchise.

Also, whether it will be on the Nintendo DS or Nintendo 3DS will depend on how long GameFreak have been working on them. For example, Generation V and HeartGold/SoulSilver began development straight after Diamond and Pearl's Japanese release (September 2006). Judging from statements earlier this year that GameFreak have only just received the 3DS Development kits, I'd say the next games will be for the Nintendo DS, as GameFreak wouldn't be that used to the 3DS to develop something for 2012 release (Judging from previous patterns, that is when we expect to see the next Pokémon main series games).

I'd expect to see a 3DS Spin Off game first, which will be GameFreak's testing ground.

 

[Silktree]

Why do the Japanese always vote for Deoxys?

Probably because like Darkrai and Arceus, it is a "cool" and tough-looking event Pokémon. Technically, the only Wi-Fi event it has had involved a Ranger game, but then if Wi-Fi availability were the deciding factor, Darkrai wouldn't be voted over Celebi. Chances are good that Arceus will win the poll.

I think there will be a remake because pokemon wants to make moneyand it will be on the DS since it would make more money that way.

More money than what? Remakes would probably make more money as 3DS games released during Generation VI, rather than at a point where players are turned off by the 3DS' price and might not buy it just for a game that shares most of its content with its GBA or DS predecessors. As for the idea of remakes being released as DS games, that would be quite the waste and there is a reason why few fans have considered it. Black and White are just imperfect enough to make a third version a perfectly viable option for the DS, but going any farther than that would be overkill.

 

[RudolphMilotic]

V-generate for Victini and both Frozen World and Cold Flare for Kyurem

I think you meant Freeze Bolt.

It is important to note that these items aren't very useful from a competitive point of view.

Except for the Griseous Orb itself because, well, you already explained it.

There is really no reason why Latias and Latios should have such a stark advantage over their generational counterparts (Cresselia, Heatran and Landlos, if not also Tornelos and Voltolos). I can see why the Soul Dew was added to Ruby and Sapphire back in the day, but Latias and Latios are no longer in their own category; I'd imagine that the Soul Dew was obtainable in PBR and HGSS because it could be transferred from Generation III, anyway.

Are those Pokémon their generational counterparts just going by the Base Stat total? Besides, if Game Freak would have wanted to erradicate the Soul Dew, they could have done it since the Generation IV games, blocking the migration of any Pal Parked Pokémon which held the item. Moreover, Latios or Latias being "overpowered" (which I don't think it's the case) by the use of a held item (which has an actual in-game effect in the code) isn't an excuse to remove it altogether from the battle experience of BW: not all people play in official tournaments, under the same "standard" rules of most fansites or in the Battle Subway/Frontier.

With Feebas in HGSS, Daisy was actually given a new line that was obviously meant to tip off players as to the change: "Grooming them helps them become more beautiful and friendly." Anyone who has played HGSS should be able to predict that grooming may increase Beauty in any game where Contests are absent. Besides, did anyone in Hoenn explain how Feebas could evolve? That was hardly obvious in 2002, and it wouldn't be to Black and White players, either.

Since Feebas is so easy to catch in Black and White (even Milotic is far easier to find in the wild than Feebas used to be), I don't think anyone would even bother to catch Feebas in Hoenn if remakes were released in this generation.

Yeah, because players pay always carefully attention to the in-game text and every line of it is meant to be taken as a literal expression, with an understatement on the gameplay mechanics. Aside from that, the young haircut brother also increases the Beauty condition and no new lines were added to reflect that.

About the second paragraph, not all people would have BW in the case RSE remakes were to see the light of the day, and just because Feebas was one of the hardest Pokémon to catch in RSE it doesn't mean it will necessarily have the same treatment in the remakes.

To finish, I don't want to see remakes of RSE (even when they are my favorite main series titles) in this or any other subsequent generation, though I can't understand why some people are so conviced the possibility of them being released is non-existent.

 

[Tyrant Aggron]

I want/ hope they have Gen 3 remakes. Technically FR/LG are remakes. So I doubt they'll have another remake of Gen 1.

 

[LDD]

Well...only time will tell.:spin:I love these emotes.XD

 

[Princess of Lumas]

fine whatever, i meant gamefreak. Putting the games one the 3ds will not make gamefreak, the company that makes pokemon, more money. It will stunt the sales of the game.

 

[Falconwing]

I'm afraid I don't follow that logic.

 

[Sanic Hegehog]

fine whatever, i meant gamefreak. Putting the games one the 3ds will not make gamefreak, the company that makes pokemon, more money. It will stunt the sales of the game.

I don't follow your logic that well.

Are you implying Pokemon won't make money when putting it on the 3DS? Isn't it one of the reasons why people buy the systems to begin with, so they can play the latest Pokemon games?