Mega Evolution

[Lufenium]

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You need to get off that exclusivity. Mega Evolution is a new game mechanic, and none of the game developer have said anything about making it unique for a certain number of Pokemon. If you want exclusivity, go for formes.

No, but the X/Y website claims it's not available to all Pokemon: Mega Evolution

Mega Evolution is not possible for all Pokémon. Only certain Pokémon, under certain conditions, can achieve Mega Evolution.

And why does it matter if it's a 'new mechanic'?

 

[Amoebo]

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I really hope it was a passing joke.

Giving every fully evolved/singular Pokemon a Mega evolution seems rather OTT to me. Plus it takes the exclusivity and mystery of it away if it's available to every Pokemon.

You need to get off that exclusivity. Mega Evolution is a new game mechanic, and none of the game developer have said anything about making it unique for a certain number of Pokemon. If you want exclusivity, go for formes.

mega evolutions are formes

 

[Hurricane Kishore]

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I'm pretty sure Mew has a Megevolution !
I bet Mew & Mewtwo use the same Mega-stone .
Think about it , Mewtwo isn't a Natural Pokemon .
It a upgraded clone of Mew .
If We believe Mega-stone to be a Natural object then its odd to see An Artificial Pokemon like Mewtwo has a Natural object for Megevolution but Mew doesn't !

 

[Bayushiyojiro]

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do we have proof of the mega-items being either natural or man-made?

 

[HottBlkQT]

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I kind of like the concept, since I like Digimon and all back in the day, but I just don't really like the selection of Pokemon they chose as Megas. Mewtwo was already powerful enough, as was Blaziken. I think they should've used this concept of "temporary evolution" or "Temp Evo's" for pokemon that aren't already overpowered, not legendary and who otherwise don't evolve into or from any other known pokemon, like Absol, Mawile, and Kangaskhan (who I see they've already included) or others like: Zangoose, Girafarig, Lapras, Farfetch'd, Miltank, Dunsparce, Kecleon, Emolga, Pachirisu, Seviper, Plusle, Minun. One requirement should be to collect all the "Unown" and then arrange them in BOX 1 to spell out a word/phrase that would active the transformation, such as "Temp Evo" or simply "Megas" so you won't need double "E's" (this should cause the Unown to assume a pokemon form that is suitable for battle, like psychic/fighting "Nown", who has the ability PURE POWER and can learn moves like: Psychic Punch, Shadow Claw, and Brick Break. The second requirement should be to find a Ditto level it up, and then evolve it with a "normal stone" (which should increase normal attacks by 25% and allow them to even hit Ghost-types) to become Normal/fighting Duo Ditto who has the Mega Ability: Guts & can learn signature 70% physical power, 90% accuracy, 5 PP normal attack called copy punch--which automatically switches type to become super-effective against it's target. And then find the "Mega Stone" & equip it to the proper pokemon.
So this way we not only get a structured way to attain Mega's, but we also get battle-ready Unown and Ditto, that were otherwise useless or gimmick pokemon in previous generations.

I'm pretty sure Mew has a Megevolution !
I bet Mew & Mewtwo use the same Mega-stone .
Think about it , Mewtwo isn't a Natural Pokemon .
It a upgraded clone of Mew .
If We believe Mega-stone to be a Natural object then its odd to see An Artificial Pokemon like Mewtwo has a Natural object for Megevolution but Mew doesn't !

I'm hoping that Mega Stones are man-made items. It would add more depth to the story and make humans more "viable" in the grand scheme of the Pokemon universe. They should reveal the four scientists who created the Mega Stones.....they could be the "New Elite Four" of sorts, allowing players more of a challenge after beating the elite four. Each of these "Scientific Foursome" should have a Mega Pokemon in their party and of course once you defeat them each gives a particular Mega Stone the first go around. They should each give a man-made item during each subsequent battle after their initial defeat, so there's an initial reason to defeat them and an additional reason to continue to challenge them....outside of experience points & cash. The final boss of the game should have the legendary pokemon of that particular game in his party and upon defeating him, the player should be able to challenge and capture it once the game saves and resets. The legendary should create its own secret home, somewhere in the region atop a mountain. This mountain should be inhabited by fierce pokemon that must be defeated/captured in order to make it to the top, where the legendary is.

 

[Jukain]

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Despite what they're saying, that this was a power born of the bond between humans and pokemon, I think it SHOULD be a natural process, but I think the same thing about ALL evolutions. This one, however, I will agree it should be harder for a pokemon to achieve it, and not all pokemon should be able to do it.

 

[Eitarou]

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I really hope it was a passing joke.

Giving every fully evolved/singular Pokemon a Mega evolution seems rather OTT to me. Plus it takes the exclusivity and mystery of it away if it's available to every Pokemon.

You need to get off that exclusivity. Mega Evolution is a new game mechanic, and none of the game developer have said anything about making it unique for a certain number of Pokemon. If you want exclusivity, go for formes.

mega evolutions are formes

If they were Formes, they would call them Formes.

While similar, there are differences.

 

[SUP3RN0VA]

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I really hope it was a passing joke.

Giving every fully evolved/singular Pokemon a Mega evolution seems rather OTT to me. Plus it takes the exclusivity and mystery of it away if it's available to every Pokemon.

You need to get off that exclusivity. Mega Evolution is a new game mechanic, and none of the game developer have said anything about making it unique for a certain number of Pokemon. If you want exclusivity, go for formes.

mega evolutions are formes

No, mega evolutions are mega evolutions. If they were formes, they would be called formes. Just because they are similar, doesn't mean they're the same thing.

 

[The Outrage]

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If they were Formes, they would call them Formes.

While similar, there are differences.

I'm really trying to figure out the difference though. The only thing I can draw is that formes/forms tend to act as "adaptations" to specific situations (like Wormaddam, Giratina, Cherrim) while a few rarer ones reflect changes in psychological states (e.g., Keldeo and Meloetta) and aren't always meant to be better (but conditions of the metagame may make one form(e) better than another).

Mega Evolutions just seem to be something any Pokemon could potentially get as the Pokemon equivalent of a Fighter Mode or Burst Mode in Digimon.

Really, if it wasn't for the in-game explanation that it goes beyond the limit of evolution, they could easily market it as a form change.

On an unrelated note, I do like how the trainer's bond is finally being used for something beyond Happiness Evolution and Return/Frustration. It actually makes it seem like there's a reason for trainers and Pokemon to interact. I want to see Corless in this games and see what he has to say (or N....I'm not sure how he'll view the Mega Ring since it seems artificial, but the Mega Evolutions themselves are an innate power)

 

[CrystaI]

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I don't think Mega Evolution is any "natural process". Its way of triggering is already something unnatural.

In order for a Mega Evolution to occur, not only a Mega Stone and a Mega Ring to resonate it is needed, but also a very high emotional bonds between Trainer and Pokemon is needed.

Regardless of the fact (or rather say hypothesis, because there is no official proof yet) that whether that Mega Stone is an item made by nature or by man-made, a Mega Stone need to work side-by-side with a Mega Ring, where Mega Ring is worn by a human being. Besides, an emotional bond between Trainer and Pokemon is needed also, so that means that Mega Evolution is something impossible for normal natural wild Pokemon, because there is no "bond" between any human beings. But even if a Pokemon is owned by a Trainer, it doesn't necessarily mean it must love with its owner, it could still stay with its owner for years but yet feel indifferent. How the Trainer cares about his/her Pokemon is also an important factor. And according to the game demo, Mega Evolution is triggered by the decision of the trainer, not by the intention of the Pokemon itself. So all of these already suggested that Mega Evolution is not anything part of the natural growth of Pokemon.

And because it is not a natural "evolution" process, I don't hope Mega Stone (and Mega Ring as well) to be some natural item, but rather some man-made item. Or else it will just give contradiction to all the hypothesis about Mega Evolution.

 

[The Outrage]

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Despite what they're saying, that this was a power born of the bond between humans and pokemon, I think it SHOULD be a natural process, but I think the same thing about ALL evolutions. This one, however, I will agree it should be harder for a pokemon to achieve it, and not all pokemon should be able to do it.

I think a natural Mega Evolution in the absence of a trainer could work like my theory on Friendship Evolutions in the wild. The prerequisite for friendship evolution is a trusting bond between Pokemon and trainer but I don't think it has to be a trainer (for instance, we have wild Pikachu and Pichu). So perhaps the Pokemon need only form a strong bond with another (even if it is a one-way bond as evidenced by Cyrus' Crobat) in order to trigger evolution. In the same way, I'd think that a Pokemon with the capacity for Mega Evolution can achieve it without a human partner if they have a strong enough bond with one of their friends (e.g., a member of their pack or something) and that they require the power to protect them. The reason I think they have to have a need for greater power is because Mega Evolutions are battle-based.

As for Pokemon: The Origin, we see Red in what appears to be a cave and its hinted he'll meet Mewtwo. Obviously Mega Stones and the Mega Ring don't exist yet. What I think will happen is that Red's bond with Charizard and the need for greater power due to battling Mewtwo will trigger Mega Evolution. Red obviously doesn't have a Mega Ring, and this special is supposed to tie into the games....maybe "The Origin" refers to the origin of Mega Evolution and not just the series.

So where does the Mega Ring and Mega Stone come into play? Drayden has mentioned that before the advent of Pokeballs, training Pokemon was very difficult. I imagine the Mega Ring and Mega Stone act similarly to Pokeballs and help bridge the gap needed for Mega Evolution. Of course, you'd still need a strong bond, but you'll have the items resonating to help communicate that bond better and perhaps not require an immediate threat to Mega Evolve. or it works the same way digivices work to bridge digivolution I don't know

And because it is not a natural "evolution" process, I don't hope Mega Stone (and Mega Ring as well) to be some natural item, but rather some man-made item. Or else it will just give contradiction to all the hypothesis about Mega Evolution.

It doesn't contradict my hypotheses

All that's technically required is a strong bond, but the resonance of the Mega Ring and Mega Stone act as a catalyst allowing Mega Evolution to be more accessible (though still a difficult process to initially achieve)

 

[Stratelier]

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I would like if A Pokemon change with Megevolution !
I mean , Mega Charizard has fin on its Arm so it might could those fin like ''Leaf Blade'' !
But , if Mega Charizard can only use the move Charizard know that Mega Charizard can't use those fin to its fullest potential.

While Leaf Blade would be cool Charizard just doesn't need it, because (1) Drought + Solarbeam combo, and (2) Charizard's stats are Special oriented anyway.

No, but the X/Y website claims it's not available to all Pokemon: Mega Evolution

Even if every fully evolved Pokemon gets a mega form, the official statement of "not being available to all Pokemon" is still true, as NFE Pokemon won't have access to it.

 

[Garren]

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https://twitter.com/G1_BARI/status/375564300728815616

This is pretty cool.

Masami Obari, famed mecha designer, commenting on Mega Blastoise.

Not sure exactly what he's saying, but it seems like Mega Blastoise might have taken cues from whatever robot that is.

 

[Nist-Oisi]

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Mega Ampharos is my favorite so far and Mega Venasaur is hitting my nostalgia button. I think it is simply a new exciting way to think about Pokemon battling and I think Jigglypuff is the coolest fairy-type for me.

 

[CrystaI]

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https://twitter.com/G1_BARI/status/375564300728815616

This is pretty cool.

Masami Obari, famed mecha designer, commenting on Mega Blastoise.

Not sure exactly what he's saying, but it seems like Mega Blastoise might have taken cues from whatever robot that is.

Dancou Cannon, ULTIMATE FORMATION!

It is a Super Robot featured in the mecha anime Dancouga Nova in 2007.

But that comment just make me LOL (>w<)... How interesting to related MegaBlastoise's pose to Dancouga Nova's Final Attack.
Maybe the next time MegaBlastoise's trainer should then shout out: Hydro Cannon, MEGA ULTIMATE FORMATION!!! Something like that?

 

[Jukain]

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I indeed think the artificial construct only augments a process that would've taken place, just like most evo processes in game. On that note, though, I want to make clear that I am not talking about the game, because if I want the game's process to make in world sense, that will always fail because there's too many inconsistencies. For the game, though, if they want to say this is the only way, then I obviously can't argue that. It is just a game, I can interpret it how I want.

My problem with this stems from my problem with the evolution processes as a whole. I see them as a natural growth process, and each of the states is a stage in it's life. This is why evolution is like growing up to me. I can see how people would liken it more to a quantum energy state, but I just think it was intended to more reflect growth than a power level. For this same reason, I think that to deny a pokemon it's greater forms in the wild isn't right. It SHOULD be able to reach this form naturally. If you want to throw the game around, there is evidence of trade evos existing in the wild, although it would be harder to argue stone evos given the conditions. I still think they should be able to achieve them through other means. The lore of Eevee suggests it can, and I see no reason why this shouldn't be true of the rest of them. Yes, Eevee is unique in it's DNA, but there has to be a reason the other pokes evolve by stones. To me, there has to be a way they can achieve this evo WITHOUT the stone. I am not asking for the game to not have to not have any of this, I'm just trying to find a better reason for it.

When Mega evos were revealed, I immediately sought a similar reasoning for it that would be natural. I kept the condition that it is a temporary increase of power, and not a normal occurrence. The way that they have been presented, I suppose it is a power that only the pokemon that are already strong can do. A pokemon does not need a human to be strong. It helps, but it is not the only way. Normally, the process can take an entire lifetime, if at all. Some don't ever master their abilities. Some might be able to do it in shorter time, all according to circumstances. As for the bond, that part is only necessary to make the process easier. I think the evo is possible without a bond of any form, even to other pokemon. Just the mastery in their abilities necessary to facilitate the evo. However, if the pokemon feels a strong bond with others, it will fight harder and attempt to increase it's abilities to better protect them. This will make achieving a Mega evo occur sooner than normal. There is only one exception. I consider Kangaskhan to be at a legitimate new stage of it's growth for it's Mega form, so I regard it in the same manner as I do a regular evo. I realize there would be an inconsistency with how pokemon have achieved such mastery without unleashing a Mega form. I consider this moot due to the retcon of Mega forms existing to begin with. (no, I will not accept this being a recent discovery, it had to have always existed due to my natural explanation and there is no way that this knowledge would not have been present since ancient times) They did not unleash them before because we didn't know of Mega forms before. I am sure that all that have strong pokemon now will have a Mega form now.

 

[Finicky-Fennekin]

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I like Mega Ampharos and Mega Lucario. oh and Mega Blaziken with Speed Boost? Seems fair I cant wait.

 

[Genwunner]

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MegaYanMega

They need to make this real.

Or maybe MegaDunsparce be an absolute sweeping beast. Similar to how the amazing Gyarados came from tiny Magikarp.

 

[DoctorWhy]

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^ MegaMeganium

 

[Zeta]

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When Mega evos were revealed, I immediately sought a similar reasoning for it that would be natural. I kept the condition that it is a temporary increase of power, and not a normal occurrence. The way that they have been presented, I suppose it is a power that only the pokemon that are already strong can do. A pokemon does not need a human to be strong. It helps, but it is not the only way. Normally, the process can take an entire lifetime, if at all. Some don't ever master their abilities. Some might be able to do it in shorter time, all according to circumstances. As for the bond, that part is only necessary to make the process easier. I think the evo is possible without a bond of any form, even to other pokemon. Just the mastery in their abilities necessary to facilitate the evo. However, if the pokemon feels a strong bond with others, it will fight harder and attempt to increase it's abilities to better protect them. This will make achieving a Mega evo occur sooner than normal. There is only one exception. I consider Kangaskhan to be at a legitimate new stage of it's growth for it's Mega form, so I regard it in the same manner as I do a regular evo. I realize there would be an inconsistency with how pokemon have achieved such mastery without unleashing a Mega form. I consider this moot due to the retcon of Mega forms existing to begin with. (no, I will not accept this being a recent discovery, it had to have always existed due to my natural explanation and there is no way that this knowledge would not have been present since ancient times) They did not unleash them before because we didn't know of Mega forms before. I am sure that all that have strong pokemon now will have a Mega form now.

I don't think Mega Forms are natural. The most recent Pokemon Direct made it very clear they're the result of Pokemon bonding with humans. I don't think a wild Pokemon would be able to achieve a Mega Form. In fact, from what we know of how Megas work there's no way Mewtwo in the most recent movie should've been able to Mega Evolve.