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On topic for this whole OS vs XY and the tone of the anime, I would have to agree with both sides unfortunately (I am such a decisive individual...), in the sense that, yes it was objectively bad looking at it: Ash never really wins a badge by himself and it feels like he s being assisted by Brock and Misty and that without them he d just collapse somewhere in the woods. On the other hand, this was the only time that this was logical, as it has been said, he had just gotten started, was very likeable (as a character, for other characters), and he was learning everything first-hand with Brock and Misty (being Gym Leaders), actually guiding him a lot. I do appreciate it, and I think you need to take it for what it was and not compare it to XY at all.
Each Gen should only be compared to others (e.g. this entire DP vs BW conundrum), if there is a direct continuation. Also, the Ash we all know and love didn't come into existence until the Orange Islands, which were really great and still look good today (see his battle with Drake, and his iconic moment with Charizard).
As for the tone of the anime, well it is based off a game meant for kids. Don't forget the only reason we 20-30+ people play it is because we started when we were young, don't think anyone of us here discovered pokémon at 30 and thought "Wow, what a great game, so much better than Skyrim or Final Fantasy (pre FF XIII)". So we can cut them some slack on that side as a general point (even looking in-game, you play a 10 yo, that should be a clue as to what their target segment is). However, the tone in XY is, I find, the darkest we have ever seen in the anime (bar Paul's brutality with his pokémon):
- this is the first time we see a truly evil group of pokémon bent on reshaping the entire world to their needs and manipulating others (the Malamar trio), who by the way very nearly run over Ash
- the pokémon smuggler was actually ready to physically attack Officer Jenny (which if you pay attention is something they try to avoid in the anime: physical violence between people)
- this whole episode with the Espurr and the old lady in the house which is genuinely heart braking and also that whole flabébé and the old nearly-dying lady [different episode] (again not something we are used to seeing in the anime, or I would need a reference)
- and finally Mega-Lucario going berserk and just beating the crap out of pikachu and being an inch away from literally killing Ash (dont tell me a 10 yo can take a power-up punch from a trained Mega Lucario and walk away)
I actually find the overall writing has gotten edgier, as I said before the only real piece of 'dark' was Paul's treatment of his weaker pokémon, and also Hunter J dying in her flying thingy (remember when the Lake trio use a Future sight attack and it lands on their ship destroying it, there were people inside and nobody mentions it ever O_O ).
Each Gen should only be compared to others (e.g. this entire DP vs BW conundrum), if there is a direct continuation. Also, the Ash we all know and love didn't come into existence until the Orange Islands, which were really great and still look good today (see his battle with Drake, and his iconic moment with Charizard).
As for the tone of the anime, well it is based off a game meant for kids. Don't forget the only reason we 20-30+ people play it is because we started when we were young, don't think anyone of us here discovered pokémon at 30 and thought "Wow, what a great game, so much better than Skyrim or Final Fantasy (pre FF XIII)". So we can cut them some slack on that side as a general point (even looking in-game, you play a 10 yo, that should be a clue as to what their target segment is). However, the tone in XY is, I find, the darkest we have ever seen in the anime (bar Paul's brutality with his pokémon):
- this is the first time we see a truly evil group of pokémon bent on reshaping the entire world to their needs and manipulating others (the Malamar trio), who by the way very nearly run over Ash
- the pokémon smuggler was actually ready to physically attack Officer Jenny (which if you pay attention is something they try to avoid in the anime: physical violence between people)
- this whole episode with the Espurr and the old lady in the house which is genuinely heart braking and also that whole flabébé and the old nearly-dying lady [different episode] (again not something we are used to seeing in the anime, or I would need a reference)
- and finally Mega-Lucario going berserk and just beating the crap out of pikachu and being an inch away from literally killing Ash (dont tell me a 10 yo can take a power-up punch from a trained Mega Lucario and walk away)
I actually find the overall writing has gotten edgier, as I said before the only real piece of 'dark' was Paul's treatment of his weaker pokémon, and also Hunter J dying in her flying thingy (remember when the Lake trio use a Future sight attack and it lands on their ship destroying it, there were people inside and nobody mentions it ever O_O ).