Times where you thought the Antagonist was right.

[Sweet Veil]

Simply, what the title says.

I thought Yuri in the Yabukuron ep was right she didn't want the kids to have a Yabukuron basically a walking bag of trash. But yet in the end after Satoshi-Tachi/Ash and Co.'s meddling in her personal business she let's the toddlers keep Yabukuron Yuri was right for a lot of reasons.

1.Yabukuron Stinks

2.Yabukuron woulda devoured the toys of the toddlers and made them cry.

3.She's the authority I'm assuming around 19-26 yet she gave into a bunch of kids and adolescents.

 

[Piplup]

a Yabukuron basically a

A living creature

Satoshi-Tachi/Ash and Co.'s meddling in

In helping a group of kids that were forced to give up on their friend for absolutely no real reason to do that

1.Yabukuron Stinks

It surely didn't bother these kids so much... I think they also said at the end something about its smell being ok when it feels safe

2.Yabukuron woulda devoured the toys of the toddlers and made them cry.

Fact is - it never done that and the kids are happy to have it with them

3.She's the authority I'm assuming around 19-26 yet she gave into a bunch of kids and adolescents.

Yeah, cause apparently this 10 years old kid is a lot smarter than her and cares about the kids' feelings much more than she did...

 

[Hellion]

I agree with Yuri being right in that episode. It was a wild untamed pokémon that could have posed a threat to the kids whose safety it's her job to ensure. Oh and it stank.

As a teacher, her job isn't to give in to her kids every demand, it's to educate them and make sure they're safe, so she was not only in her right to refuse Yabukuron, but she was totally right.

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Also, I don't remember the exact episode, but I clearly remember Harley calling BS on some of May's contest victories and I was in complete agreement with his points.

 

[Jukain]

She might've been right to be concerned, but she could've made sure that the pokemon was actually harming them instead of just assuming.

As for the question, it wasn't really in the antagonistic sense, but there was one ep of DP where I disagreed with what the episode was doing. It was when Gary reappeared, and they face Hunter J, and I was agreeing with how Gary was handling it, but instead, they have to make Ash the hero simply because he's willing to take the risk. I found this to be incredibly stupid.

 

[Joshawott]

Yuri in the Yabukiron episode. Although, the writers could have at least handled her better, making her come across as caring about the children, more than just being a strict parent. Ash was so in the wrong in that episode though, Yuri trusted him to go speak to the kids, and he ended up siding with them.

Also, when Team Rocket try and catch wild Pokémon, and Ash and co. stop them...why? They're wild Pokémon; fair game.

 

[Piplup]

Also, when Team Rocket try and catch wild Pokémon, and Ash and co. stop them...why? They're wild Pokémon; fair game.

It's fair if they'll catch them by battling fair and using a Pokéball, not using nets or traps or forcing a Poké to come with them against its will (I always was under the impression that the final choise of wether a Pokémon will get caught in the ball or not is up to the Pokémon itself - if it wants or doesn't want to be caught)
Also, even if they'll try to catch Poké the right way, they're going to use them for evil stuff, so it's still logical to make the twerps try to prevent a Pokémon from falling to their hands

 

[Hellion]

making her come across as caring about the children, more than just being a strict parent.

Except that one doesn't exclude the other. Strict parents are so because they care about the children and want to protect them, which is what Yuri was doing. Her reasons were absolutly logical and justified.

I disliked the aesop of that episode: It's okay to disobey authority figures who just want to protect you and who have your well-being in mind. Go kids! Let in those wild disease-ridden animals in your home, catch fleas and if your parents says something about it, throw garbage at them!

 

[Iteru]

There's also the fact that those kids will learn to rebel against their guardians whenever they don't get their own way. Getting into that frame of mind at a young age is far worse then wondering where a trashbag will go.

 

[Kaitou Kid]

It's fair if they'll catch them by battling fair and using a Pokéball, not using nets or traps or forcing a Poké to come with them against its will (I always was under the impression that the final choise of wether a Pokémon will get caught in the ball or not is up to the Pokémon itself - if it wants or doesn't want to be caught)
Also, even if they'll try to catch Poké the right way, they're going to use them for evil stuff, so it's still logical to make the twerps try to prevent a Pokémon from falling to their hands

While I agree with you on the forcing them thing, you can't really say using nets and traps are wrong, since they are animals and pretty much anything is fair game, just like in the games where we use rocks or food for the Pokemon in the Safari Zone as an alternative, rather than the main method of battling.

We assume Bug Catcher's use net's and probably build traps to stall the Pokemon and then capture them rather than just lugging around those bug nets for show and just because we only see in the anime the main preferred method of capturing Pokemon, doesn't necessarily mean any other means of weakening and capturing is wrong, so you can't really say TR is in the wrong in using their nets and while yes they are usually used for stealing other Pokemon, its still unfair to them for Ash and Co to just outright say they can't catch any Pokemon and try to stop their attempts, regardless of what that Pokemon will be used for later on.

I also agree with those few times TR are just minding their own business and Ash and co just barge in and ruin everything, and its totally okay because they're evil and he's good so that automatically means he's in the right and they're in the wrong.

 

[Yankees4life]

lots of Paul moments goes through my head when I see dis thread even though I did watch half of DP...

 

[Joshawott]

(I always was under the impression that the final choise of wether a Pokémon will get caught in the ball or not is up to the Pokémon itself - if it wants or doesn't want to be caught)

And yet Ash completely ambushed Pidove. It was peacefully pecking the ground looking for food, when Pikachu pounced on it, and then the ball came in.

 

[The Puppetmaster]

In DP022, after Jessie claimed the fruit as a prize for winning the unofficial contest, Team Rocket tried stealing Ash's Aipom and ended up blasting off again. I don't think they were right in trying to take Aipom, but I felt the writers should have given them a break and let them revel in their success for once.

 

[RocketGrunt78]

In the Yabukuron episode I would made the Teacher's reason trying to keep the children away from the Yabukuron different.

Yabukuron is a living garbage bag so it is bond to contain toxic and harmful items that would of made the children sick. Its the same reason why parents in the real world want to prevent their children playing with garbage. Yabukuron doesn't intend to make the children sick, but it doesn't knows that its contents would be harmful to children that have a very weak immune system.

When the Yabukuron protected the kindergartners from the rouge Sandile, Yuri the teacher realised the Yabukuron did not intend to hurt the children, but then suddenly a few of the children started to fall ill which the Teacher feared would happen. Fortunately the children would be rushed to hospital and be treated quickly.

But then a dilemma arises as the Teacher questions weather to send the Yabukuron away and making the kindergartners sad or keep the Yabukuron and risking the kindergartners health. Then solution is found by having Yabukuron remove all its toxic content and then having Yabukuron decontaminated. Then Yabukuron would then be storage bag for the toys when ever the kindergartners go out on excursions. That way Yabukuron can stay and the children would be safe

 

[ivantuga2]

In DP022, after Jessie claimed the fruit as a prize for winning the unofficial contest, Team Rocket tried stealing Ash's Aipom and ended up blasting off again. I don't think they were right in trying to take Aipom, but I felt the writers should have given them a break and let them revel in their success for once.

TR didn't take Aipom, Aipom decided to follow the balloon to eat the bananas. But I agree with the rest.

 

[Cybersai]

I can't remember which ep it was, I think it was in Johto, where Misty was ranting to a fire-type trainer about how much better water pokemon were than fire types.

Not only was it uncalled for as while the COTD was antagonistic, he was still just a normal kid, and Misty badgering him about how her water types were better than his fire types left a bad taste in my mouth.

Why Misty was so bias against other types is beyond me. I don't recall exactly if they ever battled or something, but I remember them becoming friends at the end of the ep.

Now that I remember I think its that Magcargo filler from late Johto.

 

[Insanish Danish]

In the episode A Poached Ego (the episode where Arbok and Weezing leave) Jessie and James do all they can to protect Arbok and Weezing from the attacks aimed at them, getting hit with each attack, just so Arbok and Weezing can get away to safety. Then when...uh...some person (haven't watched the episode in a long time) tells Ash and co. about some poachers and Ash was all "Hurrr it was probably Team Rocket it's about time they got what they deserved lulz." I was really mad at Ash for that, lol.

 

[Blue1225]

Pretty much every episode with Ash and Paul where Ash would ALWAYS feel the need to talk down to Paul about how he treated his Pokemon. Dude, those are HIS pokemon. Not yours back off and stop acting like you know better than everyone else.

This always irked me because Paul was just as experienced a trainer as Ash so Ash really had no right to step into Paul's business and try to MAKE Paul follow his beliefs. Reminds me far too much of people trying to make others follow their different philosophy/religion.

 

[Bikini Miltank]

This thread reminds me of an episode review I wrote a while back but never posted. Anybody remember Wobbu-Palooza? It contains some of the most extreme mistreatment of Team Rocket I've ever seen in the show... - you can read my thoughts on it here.

 

[Piplup]

Pretty much every episode with Ash and Paul where Ash would ALWAYS feel the need to talk down to Paul about how he treated his Pokemon. Dude, those are HIS pokemon. Not yours back off and stop acting like you know better than everyone else.

This always irked me because Paul was just as experienced a trainer as Ash so Ash really had no right to step into Paul's business and try to MAKE Paul follow his beliefs. Reminds me far too much of people trying to make others follow their different philosophy/religion.

What? Pokémon aren't items, they're living creatures... so what if they're "his" ? So if someone has a dog and he's abusing it, you'll say it's ok because it's his dog?...
Paul was obviously wrong and thanks to Ash he changed by the end of DP (as proved by him starting to thank his Pokémon after battles and his respect for Ash and Infernape)

 

[Paperhorse]

I agree 100% about the Yabukuron episode. It doesn't matter whether or not it was a living creature, Yuri was absolutely right about not letting that Yabukuron stay with those kids. Yuri's job is to take care of the kids and make decisions that are best for them. Kids don't get to make those kinds of decisions.

Yeah, cause apparently this 10 years old kid is a lot smarter than her and cares about the kids' feelings much more than she did...

No. She obviously cares enough about the kids that she won't give them whatever they want. Just because a child wants something really badly, it doesn't mean it's always best for him or her.

Therefore, I think Yuri should have never given in...